Tried and Died: The Rogueliking Thread for Roguelikers

rejj

I was considering posting in this thread to ask if anyone had tried/liked Jupiter Hell yet – so thanks for that!

rejj

I just tried it, the results of my first (non-tutorial) run:

Shooty Guy, level 4 Marine,
killed on Valhalla Terminal L2 by a CalSec sentry.

He survived for 1110 turns.
The run time was 31m 13s.
World seed was 1648.
He scored 344 points.
He took MEDIUM risks.

Death log
 * your action, you're at 34 health
 * CalSec sentry deals 4 damage to you
 * CalSec sentry deals 4 damage to you
 * your action, you're at 26 health
 * CalSec sentry deals 4 damage to you
 * CalSec sentry deals 4 damage to you
 * CalSec sentry deals 4 damage to you
 * CalSec sentry deals 4 damage to you
 * your action, you're at 10 health
 * CalSec sentry deals 4 damage to you
 * CalSec sentry deals 4 damage to you
 * CalSec sentry deals 5 damage to you
 * health down to -3, you die

CALLISTO L2 - Infestation
CALLISTO L2 -> Valhalla Terminal L1
Valhalla Terminal L2 - Lockdown

He killed 44 out of 61 enemies.

 10 former grunts           4  security drones
 4  former soldiers         7  fiends
 4  former sergeants        7  fire fiends
 4  former guards           2  CalSec sentries

Traits
  Son of a Gun L2
  Army Surplus L1

Trait order
  SoG->Arm->SoG

Equipment
  Slot #1 : .44 revolver
  Slot #2 : 12ga shotgun
  Slot #3 : 9mm auto rifle
  Body    : basic armor
  Head    : basic helmet
  Utility :  - NONE - 
  Relic   : ice fiend's claw
   * Iceaura


Inventory
  12ga shell (x50)
  12ga shell (x4)
  7.62 ammo (x14)
  .44 ammo (x3)
  9mm ammo (x100)
  9mm ammo (x100)
  9mm ammo (x75)
  frag grenade (x1)
  smoke grenade (x1)
  multitool (x4)
  small medkit (x2)
  red keycard (x3)

Opened a room and couldn’t get the two sentries quickly enough, or back away to safety before getting melted. Ah well. (interesting that it copies the full deathlog to your clipboard at the end of a run, which made pasting that nice and easy)

Fun! It is getting late, but I’ll be sure to give this another run tomorrow.

rejj

Oh dear, “guardian bot” is no joke. I thought I was on an ok run, at least for how early I am and still learning what’s what.
More logspam, sorry! (probably last time I’ll paste a log unless I happen to win)

killed on Valhalla Command by a guardian bot.

He survived for 1807 turns.
The run time was 40m 37s.
World seed was 1442.
He scored 513 points.
He took MEDIUM risks.

Death log
 * your action, you're at 35 health
 * your action, you're at 35 health
 * guardian bot deals 31 damage to you
 * guardian bot deals 5 damage to you
 * health down to -1, you die

CALLISTO L2 -> Valhalla Terminal L1
Valhalla Terminal L3 - Lockdown
Valhalla Terminal L3 -> Valhalla Command

He killed 113 out of 118 enemies.

 48 former grunts           7  fiends
 9  former soldiers         5  fire fiends
 10 former sergeants        9  CalSec sentries
 11 former guards           3  CalSec bots
 11 security drones

Traits
  Eagle Eye L1
  Hellrunner L1
  Deadly precision L2

Trait order
  Hr->EE->PP->PP

Equipment
  Slot #1 : .44 hunter rifle
   * Scope

  Slot #2 : 9mm calibrated
   * Master Calibration

  Body    : AV1 basic armor
   * Compartments

  Head    : AV2 basic helmet
   * Plated
   * Auto-med 5

  Utility :  - NONE - 
  Relic   :  - NONE - 

Inventory
  .44 ammo (x50)
  .44 ammo (x42)
  9mm ammo (x100)
  9mm ammo (x100)
  9mm ammo (x100)
  9mm ammo (x100)
  9mm ammo (x100)
  9mm ammo (x100)
  9mm ammo (x100)
  9mm ammo (x100)
  multitool (x1)
  small medkit (x1)
  large medkit

Seemed promising, but I didn’t quite realise what was going to happen inside “Valhalla Command”. Now I know.

antillese

rejj if you can’t post logs in this thread, I don’t know where you can post them!!

Been playing Hades and that game has some very challenging bosses IMO. I still feel like anytime I defeat Meg (the first level’s boss) it’s due to luck rather than execution.

TracyDMcGrath

Yeah some of those branch endings are real tough. Beat the game yesterday on Medium but there’s still a ton I haven’t seen. The challenge modes look real fun, I’ll probably dive into them after a few more runs. There’s a multi moon spanning side quest I want to complete which has been the cause of many deaths already.

rejj

TracyDMcGrath Beat the game yesterday on Medium

Wow, congrats!

I put in a run last night and got to Io for the first time, and was not ready for how quickly it ramped up.

(only partial log! hah!) 😎

Those toxic guys were rough. Had to take a turn to move out of the poison cloud they hit me with, and then they hit me with a new one. I’m getting further though! After that run I unlocked some stuff - the first few Challenges, I think.

TracyDMcGrath

antillese I feel like Athena’s dash helps a lot with most of the bosses. I try to pick it up as early as I can no matter what I’m building towards with few exceptions because it saves you loads of health on stray bullets that would otherwise chip away at you

tapevulture

antillese yes they’re all so hard. level 3 boss was brutal for me in particular.
Also the medusa miniboss on level 2

What weapon does everyone like using in Hades? I went all in on the spear for a while because the charge attack is fun but ultimately found it was just making me get hit a lot. I had a couple really good runs with the bow but ultimately beat the game with the shield I think

rejj

tapevulture I’ll be ultra safe and mark these with the spoiler tag, just in case:

My favourite, even though I don’t have the most clears with it, is the bow. I like the different variants of it, and I have my fastest clear time using the bow:

Sorry for the awful screenshot, it’s a photo-of-a-screen because when I took this I don’t think the Switch update that let you “easily” (it still sucks) transfer screenshots existed yet

|My next favourite, perhaps obvious if you revealed the first spoiler tag above already, is the Rail. It is extremely powerful, especially the Aspect of Eris. If you have Eris Rail unlocked, put Zeus’s boon on the main attack and you’ll have a real easy time blasting through screens.

TracyDMcGrath

Yeah Io is a wild difficulty spike. Died immediately my first time there.

For Hades, I find there are two main ways of doing damage. Slow hard hits with some high damage boon that doesn’t stack well like Rupture or Doom, or rapid low damage hits with a boon that does stack well like Hangover or Critical. Different versions of each weapon are good with different boons and matching them up well matters more than either one by itself. Something like Doom is also great on a homing attack, especially one that bounces between enemies. Aphrodite gives a large straight damage buff to everything so I find she’s pretty versatile. And Athena’s dash is just always the best dash so it’s an easy pick up.

yeso

enjoying jupiter hell a lot so far. Haven’t figured out a great way to deal with waves of enemies, esp in those low-visibility maps

yeso

had a tetris effect moment this morning: was walking towards a 4 way stop intersection and a car pulled to a stop ahead of me w L turn signal on, and I stood there for a sec bc I thought if I moved into the crosswalk the car would have to move into the same “tile” at the same time and kill me

I figured it out eventually though

TracyDMcGrath

Tried out Ultraviolence mode in Jupiter Hell this weekend. The exalted are real rough, running into a pack of them without a good exit strategy is almost certain death. I was able to get to Europa but only after skipping all the challange rooms in the first moon. I’ll have to play around with some builds. I think Hellrunner is a must with Marine to take early just to let you run away if you need to. Not having stealth or smoke really limits your options in bad situations.

TracyDMcGrath

New roguelike podcast is out from tonehack called Ascension Run. Nethack speedrun WR holder Luxidream is on the first episode and they talk about Jupiter Hell, curses being removed from DCSS, speedrunning, and deckbuilders. Was a real fun listen

antillese

Reinstalled Caves of Qud after ignoring it for a long time. I don’t know if I inadvertently had some UI garbage or mods turned on in my previous attempts, but the game is actually playable now.

Oboarding a new player into a Roguelike is pretty rough overall, and Qud is rougher than most. I looked at some recommended first steps and have successfully completed a quest. I feel like I have won the game considering the last few times I played I immediately died without being able to tell why I died or if I was even attacking correctly.

Qud’s static world map is an immediately interesting feature of the game. It feels like it’s more grounded as a place that exists instead of a set of randomly generated features. Early in the game you learn how to find “lore” of the world (which is also pseudo-randomly generated) which will add features to the world map. So the Spindle will always be there and the same distance from your starting town, but other villages and features get added to the expansive wasteland.

Looking forward to going deeper with it.

TracyDMcGrath

antillese it’s a really fun game. Not much that feels like it. But yeah the onboarding is a whole lot

rejj

I couldn’t find this post on the game’s own site, but Steam has an update and a news post for an update to Jupiter Hell, v1.1.0

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/811320/view/3029225566920454013

Multiple save slots, character and enemy info, grenade launchers and grenadiers, weapon agnostic trait changes and more!

lots of detail in the post.
I’ll fire it up for a few more runs soon, I think

Syzygy

Weekend Steam sale on roguelikes.

JoJoestar

Hello friends, sorry for resurrecting the thread but I’ve been feeling the itch to play something rogue on the Switch.

Are Tangledeep/Shiren/Void Terrarium still the best available on the platform? Feel free to throw some recommendations around.

TracyDMcGrath

I think Tangledeep is the best, but was pleasantly surprised by Chocobo Mystery Dungeon. Not a huge Shiren fan, I can never grasp what it wants me to be doing

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