Ep. 185 - Newman On The Toilet, with Kazuma Hashimoto

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captain

Regarding all this Brit-talk I have to say, curious that the forum comment system’s spell-checker flags Americanized words like “realize,” “behavior,” “color” (and “Americanize,” for that matter) as incorrect. Veeeerrrry fiiiishy

exodus But armchair philosophizing probably doesn’t help.

Maybe not, but I’m drawn to doing it nonetheless! It’s likely the symptom of something else, but no idea what

Gaagaagiins Very interesting. That may on a grand scale be a healthier way of looking at it. And I guess too the reason these are considered disorders in the first place is we’ve unconsciously agreed that there is something which constitutes natural order in a person’s behavior (as you said). I guess the question I would wonder about is whether, in a world without as many rigidly defined behavioral conventions, certain conditions would still be so problematic for a person that the person might still want to treat it. Like for example if a person’s schizophrenic hallucinations happen to manifest most often at night and keep the person from sleeping, or a severe mood disorder. Maybe too free of context to speculate about.

Gaagaagiins

1 - Persona 5

Yes, sir!

Gaagaagiins

captain I guess the question I would wonder about is whether, in a world without as many rigidly defined behavioral conventions, certain conditions would still be so problematic for a person that the person might still want to treat it.

I think you got it right later when you said we don’t have the contextual information to speculate about it to that degree. We don’t want to romanticize the past either of course, surely, some cultures or even the same cultures at different points of history would celebrate stuff like that, some would tolerate or normalize it, some wouldn’t tolerate it at all. I guess I just don’t need a reason to think about how 21st century western white supremacist capitalism is so often designed to be terrible to anyone below a relatively high standard of productive worth, like what if the city in The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas wasn’t a utopia or even nearly one and instead of one child it was most people on Earth.

captain Gaagaagiins
1 - Persona 5

Yes, sir!

This isn’t even necessarily because Persona 5 is uniquely awful and barely functional as a game, I mostly feel like it’s a ⅒ because of how it stabs you in the damn back. Unlike Brandon, I got swept up and 100% sold on it for the 1st Palace, but the feeling of betrayal I felt from the “funny” scene with Ann “Just Got Done An Incredible Arc Where She Went Through A Litany of Complex Emotional Revelations Culminating In Her Putting The High School Teacher Who Raped Her Behind Bars” Tamaki wearing all of the layers of clothes was just too much to come back from for me

wickedcestus

tombo This looks pretty fun. The gameplay looks like Sensible Soccer but more zany? From reading that review, I expected it to not resemble football at all. I’m going to keep this on my wishlist for when I can have friends over again. Make sure to report back !

EDIT: oh oops just looked at the steam page and realized it’s single-player only… oh well still looks fun

Hermon_Cone

Had to sign up just to defend Blazing Lazers! C’mon Brandon a 5/10?
In any case, I’m happy to be signed up now ~
:)

exodus

Hermon_Cone I felt weird doing that one but it’s like… by this scale a 5 wasn’t bad, it was right in the middle. And blazing lazers, while I like it, is a very straight shooter, so under the gun it was the only thing I could think of as a “standard” type of game.

I still regret it though.

xhekros

Gaagaagiins That was my idea precisely (the idea of saying this as a great game with a controversial story that was also terrible even at the time of their landing), and I think that when Jaffe said what he said he understood it as well, so yeah, now with all said yeah, better not even do that even as a joke (just in case).
PS: To point out, I don’t think Birth of a Nation is that groundbreaking considering Griffith’s previous short works, though.

tokucowboy

nolimitsquesting Ah, I’m excited for you – it’s like the ol “Tetris 10” of fighting games to me (even though I am not good at it, which is something I should investigate about myself considering how many Neo Geo games I play). It feels cumulative, ya know, like masters of a very specific craft built up to this perfectly balanced something that achieves exactly what it set out to do in its format, with a dang impeccable audiovisual presentation, too. You will have some fun for sure.

Maybe you could dock it a quarter of point because Terry doesn’t have a hat (but even that has an adorable narrative backing)

ALSO, I love the turns this thread has taken, wow

nolimitsquesting

tokucowboy It’s a wonderful experience! I don’t know any combos yet but I had a blast playing it with a friend today, especially once we discovered that taunts could be cancelled out of. So much love and care was put into this game and every second just exudes personality! I’ve got to say, I actually prefer Terry’s design in this one as much as I love the hat!

@Syzygy I have yet to run into a Kevin player but I’ve heard he’s top tier. I know he has this command crawl which seems very versatile!

Syzygy

perfectly balanced something that achieves exactly what it set out to do

Kevin aside, I guess

Hermon_Cone

exodus Aw man thanks for the reply! If I were to rank Compiles shooters (that I’ve played) maybe I’d put Blazing Lazers at #5. Hmm now I gotta try…

#1 - Super Aleste (I know.. weird. But.. it just works for me.)
#2 - Zanac Neo
#3 - Sylphia
#4 - Musha Aleste
#5 - Blazing Lazers
#6 - Spriggan
#7 - GG Aleste 2
#8 - Gun Nac
#9 - GG Aleste
#10 - Robo Aleste / Spriggan Mark 2 tied

I have no idea if I agree with myself here. I’d love to try Aleste 2 and Aleste Gaiden. Also GG Aleste 3 didnt make it onto this list cuz it’s M2 … but if I put it on there, it’d sure be high up!

Geoff

We reviewing Blazing Lazers here?

I like it. It’s a solid Compile shooter:
It’s pretty and when you get that III lazer gun blazing you can have a real good time.

7/10.

Geoff

In that brief period when people started to get and post videos of Paprium when you could still (pre/back) order it for a higher price then it originally was, before the site went down - I sure did wrestle a lot with whether or not to buy it.

It looks right up my alley, except for the hate stuff.
I think I would absolutely love it when there isn’t any misogynistic, racist, or homophobic stuff on screen.
I don’t think I’d want to support a game like that though.

exodus

Geoff yep, that’s exactly right. if only they had simply elected NOT to put any of that nonsense in there “because they did it in the 90s,” it would be a wholehearted recommendation from me. Mechanically it remains the 2nd best beat em up on the system, very close to the best looking, does stuff with sound no other game does, etc. I’m glad I preordered it 50 years ago for the original price, because I saved literally $130, if I would even have been able to stomach buying it once I knew it had some objectionable stuff in it. It makes playing it a weird experience, that is for sure.

Also before I played Paprium I backed their next game which may never come out ever, so… more’s the fool me. But if it does come out, rest assured, I’ll let you all know what it’s about.

Syzygy

nolimitsquesting
Good buttons, good approaching tools, his unique cancel— which builds meter— which he gets more damage off of than other characters. Like SF3 the Just Guard system acts as a universal balance, but he’s very good and when you see that “tier lists are still changing” to this day that’s mostly because Kevin (and Jenet) are now so familiar that you can trade for psychological advantage by playing weaker characters the opponent probably has less experience with, lol

nolimitsquesting

Syzygy tokucowboy

Yeah that sounds pretty broken! When I was in the picking characters phase I saw him and thought, I don’t want to play as a cop! I can imagine Jenet being top tier too, her true power is in her hilarious ‘non non non!’ taunt. My friend and I where having a great time constantly repeating that and ‘ARE YOU OKAY?’ at each other. It is pretty cool how the meta for the game is still shifting from the sounds of it. Excited about getting into competitive play!!

tokucowboy

@nolimitsquesting @Syzygy ah, so you see, the game has balanced itself 22 years into its meta. Perfect 10.

(j/k I trust Syzygy’s assessment of the balance better than mine, & also think Terry does look great without his hat)

Syzygy

Love the game, I wouldn’t normally comment because it’s a truism that no fighting game is perfectly balanced, but in Garou’s case I think it’s especially funny that the busted character is a visually boring newcomer cop with few ties to SNK lore. FIREBALLS ARE NO PROBLEM AT ALL TO YOUR AVERAGE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER

captain

Gaagaagiins don’t need a reason to think about how 21st century western white supremacist capitalism is so often designed to be terrible to anyone below a relatively high standard of productive worth

Of course, with you completely on that. My wondering aloud was out of concern for a person’s emotional well-being, but all of that is of course affected by how the surrounding society treats/stigmatizes them.
Thanks for the Le Guin link! I need to get started on reading all her fiction, my god….

Gaagaagiins I got swept up and 100% sold on it for the 1st Palace, but the feeling of betrayal I felt from the “funny” scene with Ann

Exactly! I feel similarly, I was very on-board with the game’s broad premise/goals, which the first palace seemed to make good on. Then it says “Actually no, who cares about this issue, not I!”

exodus

Hermon_Cone aaaah it’s troubling to see sylphia that far up on a list since I don’t have it. well………….. I guess I’ll have to “acquire” it somehow. I mostly buy the real deal but in the case of sylphia, I am not a rich person.

Hermon_Cone

exodus Not exactly proud to say that’s a PCE works purchase there… But hey it plays great and looks nice on the shelf. Same with Sapphire and Dead of the Brain. No one should spend that kinda money on a game, even if it’s a great game.

Dunkr

Gaagaagiins I Play: 3D Soccer is an Italian Amiga/ST/C64 game from 1991 where you control a single player. I don’t remember playing it, I probably just read about it in a magazine and remembered that feature.

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