(Archived 2025) Having a very normal morning on this very normal day.

Cops shot and killed a 16 year old black girl named Ma'khia Bryant in Columbus, this happened about an hour before the Chauvin verdict was announced. She was the one who called them because two other girls were fighting in her front yard, she had a knife on her trying to protect herself, and the cops shot and killed her.

Later some cops waiting around at the scene yelled "blue lives matter" at people gathering to demonstrate at the scene. Possibly by then the verdict has been announced.

I know this is thread has a dual purposes of "just trying to cope with the unspeakable cruelty of the united states" and "discuss the unspeakable cruelty of the united states", but we cannot and should not look away from this


**Mod Edit - graphic warning for content of video. **
This link contains graphic video footage of the killing.

@Gaagaagiins I don‘t know about what’s happening in the US (would be nice to know), but I have the perspective that not only you‘re not alone in this, but this sentiment is more shared and general that you might know. The worst thing about the present is not like finding the new low (and it is really bad) but the feeling that there’s no possibility of being up because some people don't want to see it, some people are completely lobotomized and the system does only care about the status quo and the preservation of money from the rich. I hope that things explode in order to go up one day, but I think that globally we have more and more the feeling that the politics and the economy is sinking fast.

As a warning for anyone coming along to this thread, the news post above has an embedded video that you should not watch. Maybe I should have known better… but it just straight up shows, unredacted, bodycam footage of the cop shooting the girl. I expected it to freeze frame or otherwise not just show it, but we seem to be in the world where cop snuff films are just fair game now?

As much as I understand this is important public evidence, personally I did not need to see that and I imagine her family probably don't need people watching it either.

@Gaagaagiins part of what‘s uncomfortable about this is the fact that she is 81 y/o. Absurd that she (and biden, and, for that matter god bless and he’s still sharp, bernie) are in these positions

It's the friction between reasonable, humane values and the priorities of a late-capitalist empire. The narrative of the USA as being in forward-motion and a work-in-progress no longer makes any sense - even internally. We've done civil rights, gay rights, womens rights - not sufficiently of course, but there's been substantial progress in the legalistic and cultural domains. What's not improving are material conditions, and that's because it would take a major reorientation of production and distribution, and of course that can't be permitted by the hyper rich fuckers who require the capitalist order to do what they do. Hard to overstate how difficult it is to present any alternative to the status quo - it's worth remembering that even Bernie's policy orientation is basically in line with a democrat during the eisenhower administration, but with a better social justice outlook (although I suspect Bernie's personal political sympathies are farther left). And bernie was at best only indulged by the media/analyst class, and was otherwise suppressed/distorted/mocked

So I think what's happening in the US is that we're at a rubber meeting road moment, where the true face of racist-capitalist-empire is showing itself more than usual. It was always just part of doing business for a crypto-fascist police force to summarily execute nonwhite people, it was always a regrettable but endurable loss if psychotic people regularly shoot up schools and grocery stores because flooding the country with guns and war-paranoia is a useful as a broadly anti-communist posture.

But now I think these things can't be so easily couched in a narrative of "progress." These aren't bad things that happened in the past on our collective march to a just society - they're ambient part of schizoid life in the US. I hope people get the picture rather than learn to endure it. I'm optimistic but in the long-term. It certainly helps that cops continue to very publicly reveal themselves to be completely stupid thugs who don't do shit for anybody: which at least suggests the need for an alternative

none taken and I wish I'd thought of that

In fact that's the only part of this no one should have to look at. To clarify I meant we should not turn away from the situation

@yeso it comes down to the tendency for profit to fall. america has participated in decades of war with no real objective other than to transfer wealth from ordinary people to a few corporations in the form of military contracts. this is to keep profits going for some as they tend to fall in general. and all the people and equipment sent over there eventually come home. what this arrangement becomes when there isn‘t anymore juice to be had… hopefully it can’t survive that long.

@yeso So the same as here and other countries, but worse, since I feel the history of your country is embedded in several issues that had been covered by more and more filth. And yeah, it‘s sad to see Bernie or even people like Corbyn, as also Pablo Iglesias here in Spain, being persecuted and called communist and other stupidities by the mass media and the far right. Yup, it’s sad, and we‘re seeing at least here that there’s some civil right being also trespassed and violated repeatedly by the police, but whenever I think of the US I feel you are the ones who socially and institutionally have it the worst (specially after what happened last year, which hadn't receded at all).

I've always also seen it as an inevitable consequence of the upward mobility of wealth within capitalism, which is a feature, not a bug.

If there was one thing that capitalism was supposed to deliver on, it was "the American Dream," or the idea that anyone with a strong enough work ethic or a good enough idea could become prosperous, particularly independently prosperous through private ventures. Now, it bears mentioning that even if the American Dream as a concept did exist at some point it was only after a class of western european white men butchered indigenous people and brutalized slaves to start accumulating wealth in North America, and, at least in hindsight and to oversimplify, the concept in general in terms of it being relevant for newcomers to America especially was surely more of a propaganda effort to purposefully increase the country's stock of motivated laborers who had it in their heads that the boss making a dollar on them making a dime was some mystical fast track to prosperity so long as they just stuck to their guns.

What I find most bewildering about capitalism and especially the role of the United States in it all, is that, for a moment, it actually looked like capitalism was going to actually deliver on that promise. It would never have been socialism, and I feel obligated to mention it likely wouldn't have meant much for the global south in the long run, but the sorts of things like Keynesian economics and the west in earnest trying to win a moral victory in the actually cold parts of the cold war, maybe even if the nascent environmentalist movements that were crushed by the rise of neoliberalism, in my opinion anyway, could have cemented capitalism as a dominant ideology for a very long time. In this day and age I think even a lot of people who aren't communists can look back at McCarthyism and see how absurd it is, but to some degree, I think it's worth admitting that that was going on during a time when the (predominantly white of course) working class were being given more than just an illusion of a promise of getting in on the benefits of the post war economic surge. Capitalist propaganda had a lot of self aware benefactors who didn't own factories. I mean, also still worth mentioning it was definitely not as monumental of an economic shift as was well underway in the USSR and about to really kick off in China, but I digress.

Wealth still certainly had an upward trajectory, again to mention most viciously in the global south towards their current and former colonizers one way or another, but at least for a brief window for the white working class in America, capitalism was learning how to tap the brakes and take scenic detours. Wealth having an upward trajectory has never meant that the rich weren't getting richer, they always were, but they were accumulating excess wealth at a slower rate, the cycle of wealth put much more economic power into a greater number of hands, and significantly more people overall (always have to specify it was still certain people and they were disproportionately white and men) were given a wage which kept them not just above poverty but stably and comfortably so.

Summary: Without needing to issue a correction in a future post of mine, regarding the mode of production capitalism. you do, under certain circumstances, "[gotta hand it to them](https://twitter.com/dril/status/831805955402776576?lang=en)," in the sense that capitalism as a mode of production is quite effective at the process of Making Shit. It's at an abominable, unforgivable human cost, and, well, the USSR and China represent at least a somewhat compelling argument for why socialism is still better, capitalism did result in a lot of shit getting made, and for a handful of decades it looked like it was actually going to redistribute that in a way that would have cemented it as a political and economic ideology for I think a very long time.

Once again it's obvious in hindsight, though, but I think capitalism has signed its own death warrant in advance in the tectonic shift in economic practice brought on by neoliberalism. And, I'm oversimplifying quite a bit here, but the most absurd contradiction within neoliberalism to me is that it's a bad scam run by total morons who simply had enough political power to ensure even their bad scam worked even though it was dogshit.

Like... not to be haughty or anything, but the Reagan administration's economic reforms not producing their intended purpose by the end of the Reagan administration should have set off alarm bells in anyone who knows a grift when they see one, right? A big part of that is that aforementioned McCarthyism of course, but jeeze. The exact wrong thing for capitalism to do is doggedly avoid address its most glaring contradiction, which is wealth inequality. Reaganomics represents not just a refusal to address income inequality, it represents the proposal that by temporarily deepening income inequality those that benefit from it will temporarily will return the favor by lessening it in the next fiscal year or whatever. Now, I don't want to be so crass as to say I think it's human nature to be selfish, but let's at least take note that making a show of telling workers that capitalists exploiting them will be good for them in the long run, and then giving those same capitalists not only much more power to exploit workers but also in a sense actually ramping up the competition among their own class to not have to be the one who trickles down their wealth first (would would make them less competitive among their own class), gives these capitalists both the moral justification and the profit incentive to just continue on that tack endlessly.

Economically speaking neoliberalism isn't just capitalism refusing to address its most glaring contradiction, it's self interested parties who benefit from that contradiction actually mutating that contradiction into a recursive form. In a broad sense the upward mobility of wealth isn't just a constant, it's accelerating, and its rate of acceleration is also accelerating. Income inequality keeps increasing not only because people benefit from it, but the people who benefit from its increase believe that it is part of some grand project that will work itself out in the end. Despite 50 years of contrary evidence, of course.

Continually what is most frustrating to me about this is that the solutions really are that simple. Again if there is one thing that is admirable about capitalism it's that it has thoroughly abstracted wealth and production in a way that makes it something that is possible to manipulate on a grand scale with minimal oversight. So much of our society has now become financialized, and how I understand that in a broad sense is that it has been calculated and then represented as an abstract but relatively easy to understand value. At least, in an ideal application of the theory, it's a standardization of the social value of pretty much anything. I like to think of interviews and stuff I've read from Kim Stanley Robinson, not unlike [this one](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-04-22/kim-stanley-robinson-let-the-fed-print-money-for-the-planet). Now, I think how right or wrong Stanley-Robinson is is kind of beside the point, 'cause I just don't know how much I trust a guy who's getting published in Bloomberg and the Jacobin, but I do think he is one of those real good Understander types, he really knows what's going on in the world, which is a different skill from knowing what is a practical strategy to affect change within it. But I do think, couching this in his own perspective of pure, even wishful speculation, that the sorts of reforms he proposes in interviews like this, would _probably actually work._ It would be yet another way capitalism could do like, not a 180 degree turn, but maybe like, a 45 degree turn or a 90 degree turn at best. In another interview he puts it quite bluntly:

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Imagining the better system isn’t that hard; you just make up some rules about how things should work.

However... and to be fair to Stanley-Robinson I do think he would agree with this, capitalism as a systemic process likely isn't going to budge on the trajectory it's on without some unmitigated, unavoidable, inundating catastrophe, and, well, even then, I don't know those in power will make the right decisions even then. Those self interested parties are basically in a great big circle, and they all constantly keep knives pointed at each other's backs. Even the ones that want to stop this, know that to do so is class sabotage/betrayal, and that meaningful attempts to mitigate the oncoming catastrophe are more likely to find them with a knife in their back and the good they tried to do snatched up by people with one fewer knife. And, to circle back around to police, they have put in an enormous amount of resources to arm their very own centuries-early shock troops to protect their own class positions. A often use "corporate fiefdoms" in a provocative way, but honestly, it's kind of appropriate, if you abstract some things. It's petty self interested warlords just shifting borders between them incrementally, sometimes taking advantage of weakness and carving up one of their own, sometimes entering alliances of convenience, but for the most part, it's a system that persists by claiming its own brutal efficiency is for the good of the lord as well as the serf, and isn't shy about putting serfs' heads on pikes to prove it.

The financialization of the economy and the opening up via neoliberalism to base absurd amounts of economic activity on speculation is another significant marker of just how fucked up and also profoundly shallow it all is. Capitalists say it themselves, well, I don't have liquid assets, I have a bunch of really big numbers in a lot of really big computers, or I have land title, or I just have other guys with big numbers in computers who think giving me their computer number means I can increase everyone's computer number. What we've got is the worst possible result of this financialization of economics wherein the economy has locked itself into a death spiral literally because a few hundred morons enabled some buggy settings and moved some sliders. If an enormous amount of the abstract wealth in the world exists purely as a representation of the potential for the expansion of wealth, now what the economy is best at is lying about its own purpose. Suitable for an economy that responded to enormous increases to productivity through automation by inventing pointless, recursive, and often just fake jobs to do (a la [Graeber](https://youtu.be/kikzjTfos0s), RIP).

And the really big kicker there is that it's an all consuming idea, and has permeated down for about a generation as equivalent to natural law. There are way, way too many working class people who are utterly convinced of the fact that Number Go Up is a sign that The Conomy is doing what it's supposed to do. Even after what has been decades of the same promise being repeated ad nauseum with no fundamental changes. We are downright in the midst of a financialization of epistemology at this point, where the idea that meaning can be derived from something's relation to an abstract expression of an accumulation of wealth has embedded itself into how people view the world. The first question anyone asks about any social change is how expensive it is, how much profit will it generate, who will pay for it, etc. How well an elected government is perceived to be performing is not about policies or the impacts of those policies, but about those policies generating more (naturally most often speculative) wealth, or at least using accumulated wealth efficiently or justly, but more than anything it's what that government did to address its debt, its surplus or deficit spending, how corrupt they may be, and so on. I mean, this isn't even how economists understand and apply finance, it's not necessarily how governments actually formulate budgets so much as it is how they manipulate their voting bases, yet economic despair is so omnipresent in so many peoples' lives that a preoccupation with relating everything to wealth is I suppose unavoidable. If some motherfucker can nudge a slider in one direction and then a meaningful number of people making roughly your income with roughly your amount of debt is at severe risk of homelessness if not death within the next 5 years, it's not a preoccupation I don't understand.

Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuh I don't know where I was going with all of this. Just analyzing freely out loud I guess.

have you run across this essay? Was making the rounds a little while back and seems to be in line with your thinking

https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/neofeudalism-the-end-of-capitalism/

I'm hopeful that the received bias of american exceptionalism will eventually wear of, allowing the non hard-bitten commie sliver of the population here to actually take stock of our country's flaws rather than the Panglossian delusion everyone is operating under.

@yeso No, but I think I have made “jokes” about neofeudalism using that same provocative prefix before lmao. Will give this a read soon

Happy May day, comrades.

I've never been a big may day enthusiast but it's now been two years without nursing a hangover in the rain while listening to some overly earnest communist singer sing about crushing american imperialism, and I'm starting to miss it.

At least the last year and a half has forced some right-wing and centrist governments to think a little more like socialists and implement some legitimate left-wing policies. Not that they'd call them that.

In the US, at least! Europe seems hell-bent on sticking with the neoliberal death spiral.

Sorry, I am very prone to left melancholia, that most useless of political affects. May day is especially bad for this, ironically: it‘s a day when socialists all over the world gather and talk about the glorious future ahead, yet it’s completely haunted by the past. Less and less people by the year, more and more defensive slogans: Don‘t privatize our healthcare system please! Don’t send refugees back to Afghanistan! Don't close our libraries!

When I started going some ten years ago or so, the slogans were all offensive stuff like demanding a six hour workday. These have been _very_ bad ten years for the left here.

Small progress is still progress I guess.

Here in the UK our Conservative overlords have had no choice but to undo (or at least slow down) many of their previous and formerly-forthcoming healthcare cuts, and to invest in workers. They've even brought us closer to a universal basic income than ever before. The SNP in Scotland has also put the brakes on its gradual creep away from the left towards the centre-rightism it used to like.

All this comes after at least a decade of british and scottish politics wandering further and further right so I take it as a small win (or at least a not-defeat).

Here the covid mostly ended up becoming yet another awful culture war wedge issue about “the Swedish strategy” - helpfully picked up by the anglo media - which conveniently made everybody forget that we have less care beds per capita than any other country in the EU, and a thoroughly privatized elder care system that can't uphold any sort of basic safety or quality standards. No changes to any of that, of course! Instead the government is looking for possible permanent constitutional changes to limit freedom of movement and freedom of assembly in the name of public safety. A shitshow.

@Gaagaagiins

As in, from the law’s perspective, Chauvin had a right to brutality

I was a Gunner's Mate (weapons expert) in the coast guard for 7 years, part of my job was to give the "use of force" training about when you were allowed to use lethal force to the people who would be carrying a gun on the job. People dont think about this often but the coast guard is a unique hybrid military/law enforcement agency and as such we are the only branch of the armed forces not not subject to the Posse Comitatus Act, and therefor the only branch allowed to enforce laws on American citizens.

I want to tell you what that training was like. The basic idea of this training (in a Perfect World) is for the officer to internalize when they are and are not allowed to use lethal force, and if they ever have to pull the trigger, to be able to articulate in a courtroom why there were justified too do so. There is a lot of classroom time spent on looking at things called stuff like "the deadly force traiangle".

The Deadly Force Triangle:
1) Weapon
2) Opportunity
2a) unrestricted
access (to a weapon)
2b) maximum
effective range
3) Action

In a Perfect World, all three parts of the triangle need to be there for the use of deadly force to be legitimate. The maximum effective range for a man with a knife is generally considered to be 10 feet, because of the time it takes to unholster a weapon. I did this training a lot and in a classroom full of cops there are always people asking about edge cases, the most common I heard was "what if they're an a throwing knife expert?" (the "funniest" response to that i heard was "well, if you see a knife throwing trophy on the ship during your boarding....").

Anyway, I want to tell you about the "practical" portion of this training thast everyone had to go through. Judgmental Use of Force Training (JUFE, joo-fee). We would set up a TV and put on a DVD with scenarios A-J, the officer would stand, holstered with a red rubber non-gun, and watch the video. Each lettered scenario was a slightly differnt set of videos of a simulated boarding with minor but crusial differnces so the officer wouldnt know what to expect if they hadnt been through that set before. The officer was expected to yell commands at the TV as if he was dealing with real people, and to pull their gun and yell "BANG!" when they thought they were in a justified use of force scenario. After each simulated boarding we would pause the DVD and ask the officer to verbally justify why they did or did not feel it was appropriate to use force.

When I first joined the coast guard in 2010 they were phasing out a set of JUFE videos that had been ripped from an 80's VHS. The women had big hair and the men had big moustaches. It was replaces with a more modern version of the same thing, but by the time I was leaving the coast guard there was talk of replacing JUFE with half a million dollar VR simulators (if you search "judgmental use of force training" on youtube you'll see some examples). Here are some nearly decade old pictures of people at one of my old units playing Duck Hunt on such a $500,000 simulator.

As a federal agency the coast guard is rightfully held to a higher standard than a local police department, it also attracts a different kind of person wanting to join. Many of the people did not have "cop mentality" since boardings were often a secondary duty on top of their regular job, but unfortunately some of them, especially among people who chose to be weapons experts like myself, did still have that "good old boy" kind of mentality. It was very hard for me to square the professionalism I tried to approach this subject with with the kinds of talk I heard in my shop while all the Treyvon Martin stuff was going on. Believe it or not, I was frequently not a good "culture fit" among people in the weapons department.

I dont know how to wrap up what I'm saying.

As in, from the law’s perspective, Chauvin had a right to brutality

I guess I'm just feeling the tiniest bit defensive about this even though I shouldn't. The law does allow for some insane brutality in some situations, but kneeling on someones neck for ten minutes wasnt an approved form of restraint where I worked. I can fully understand having to use lethal force in some situations though not in this case. This was clearly not a "I panicked and fired because I was afraid for my life" scenario, and cops already get an enormous amount of leeway when it comes to shit like that. I quit the coast guard partially because I didnt want to be cop-adjacent anymore, but sometimes I wish I could clone myself 1,000,000 times and personally do the job with more professionalism and respect for the public than what I see local cops bringing to the table over and over again across the country. It's unfortunate that some of the people who would make the best police officers rightfully dont want anything to do with the job, so we end up with a wide variety of abusive power/respect hungry freaks doing it. It's bad. Dont know what's to be done about it. They clearly feel emboldened to do whatever they want to people because they think they're untouchable behind the "blue line" and it shouldnt be that way (but it often is). Making the choice to shoot/kill someone, even in the most clear cut circumstances should be one of the hardest decisions anyone has to make and I frequently see police (individually and institutionally) and our American culture at large treat it with a flippancy that drives me insane.

/rant

stopped by the Haymarket Memorial on my way home from work today

@christoffing

solidarity from the swedes