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@exodus#16520 do you see the rounded wedge (honda prelude, porsche 911) coming back around or no?

I think there's always going to be an audience for long, low, traditionally sporty-looking cars. I also think that among people making cars for a living, that sort of thing is more interesting than making another midsize crossover, so I think they'll survive, even if they're just a niche. But I think the reality is that, culturally, a lot more people are excited by a car that is "big" and "tough" looking. You could spend all day analyzing the psychology of this but I don't think you'd learn anything that wasn't extremely depressing...

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@exodus#16520 why are hondas so rarely featured in racing mags etc in japan, which seem to be toyota focused with some mitsubishi and subaru thrown in?

Racing isn't really my specialty, but maybe it has something to do with the fact that Honda doesn't have a history of mass-market RWD cars? There was the S2000 but that was kind of an anomaly. With Toyotas you have a whole family of cars with similar engines and drivelines, which are now very cheap, so they're easy to modify and keep running. Would be my guess.

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@exodus#16520 what factors into something like the Honda e having such a short max travel distance? are the majority of folks just not that into longer trips?

Very good question, and the Honda e is a good illustrative example of why a lot of EVs are the way they are.

EV development is driven by very different factors than conventional mass market vehicles, which is why what comes out of the big auto makers is sometimes so... weird.

  • - We have to sell (not just make) a certain number of EVs in certain markets in the near term for regulatory reasons, or pay fines. I understand the Honda e was at least partly intended to meet EU requirements, so it's designed around a European city use case.
  • - They still cost too much to make, so we can't sell them above cost and still meet those sales requirements. The motivation is to get that set number of EVs out the door for the smallest loss. This puts a downward pressure on specifications like range. Some manufacturers have made some really half-arsed stuff to meet the letter of the regulations but at the same time:
  • - An EV which is going to lose money anyway can earn its keep by being good for the brand. The Honda e is a good example of this; it's adorable, and journalists who write about it say nice things because it’s genuinely really good. They’re also a good place to debut new technologies without having to take the risk on millions of cars being recalled if it doesn’t work. Going back to the Honda e again, it’s got cameras instead of wing mirrors. They'll probably get a lot of good feedback from users about those and maybe incorporate them into future mass-market models if they go down well.
  • Speaking of the Honda e, it's worth remembering that this thing exists:

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    This is a 2-seater coupe concept based on the concept which later became the Honda e. This is a _concept__ car, but one thing I have learned from being on the inside is that it's very rare for anything to be "just" a concept car. I know that where I work, we don't usually display a concept car at an auto show if we aren't actively developing something related to it. Whether it'll make it to production is another question, but who knows, maybe you'll be able to get an EV to replace that Prelude in a couple of years?

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    @whatsarobot#16548 I’m wondering whether you chose to work for a Japanese auto manufacturer specifically, or whether the Japan aspect was a secondary concern. Also, how would you compare Japan’s current status in the world of auto production vs some other nations?

    I was already in Japan and looking for a change of careers (I used to mix English teaching and translation jobs). I was lucky enough to have some support and connections so I could go to graduate school, and the lab I ended up assigned to was working on EV-related stuff. That, and being able to work in English and Japanese, was good enough to get me in the door where I am now.

    Japanese auto makers, I think, realise that they have a top-quality product, but that they aren't going to be able to compete on that much longer. 20 years ago, Korean cars were a joke. Now they're indistinguishable from Japanese cars, except they're often cheaper. In a decade or so we'll probably be able to say the same thing about cars from China, and they make orders of magnitude more EVs than we do, which is going to be a big factor once regions start banning fossil-fuel vehicles. Long-term, the days of us building cars, selling them to people and then hoping they come back in 8 or 10 years time to buy a new one are probably numbered. So we spend a lot of time thinking about how to leverage the position we have now to make a business that's sustainable in the very long term. Toyota's [smart city thing ](https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/ces-toyota-big-smart-city/index.html)is a good example of where Japanese auto makers see their business going in the future.

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    @kory#16625 I really would like to get an EV, but I’m still in a bit of a holding pattern. The infrastructure is still not great (even in this relatively suburban part of NYC) and the best option seems to be Tesla, though I have misgivings about the product and the company. I’m curious to see if anyone else on the forum has experience owning or driving EVs

    I'm An EV Engineer, Ask Me Anything!

    The infrastructure question is one that a lot of people get hung up on, because it's hard to imagine the drastically different way that you use an EV day to day. You have to think of it less like the car you have now and more like a phone. You don't run it down to 5% and then go and find a socket, because even if you found one you'd be tied to it for the next hour or more. You do your daily whatever on it, and then you plug it in when you go to bed, right? EVs work the same way, so they are incredibly easy to live with _if_ you have fairly regular driving routines and somewhere to install the charging equipment at your home.

    @xct#16689 Awesome reply. I learned a lot reading this! Thank you!

    @xct#16689 wow thank you so much, very thorough!

    You definitely hit on some of my specific misgivings. My apartment building does not offer chargers yet and I do not see them on the immediate horizon. My work/driving schedule is also a bit all over the place--I work at a hospital and several offices, with only the hospital offering chargers (and even those are pretty much constantly at capacity). As much as I dislike it, I will probably need to stick with internal combustion until infrastructure and/or my home accommodations catch up.

    Thanks for all this!!

    I have certainly noticed that "big and tough" has been the order of the day in america for the last, well, since I've been born (and I used to drive muscle cars myself, as shared above). I do hope folks will continue being interested in sporty cars, but generally they aren't made in shapes that I like. the Scion FR-S is the closest I've seen in a long time, though I also like the concept version of the honda e (hatchback). I just want a round wedge!! waaah

    the 5th gen prelude is pretty close to my perfect car body shape but I also acknowledge that the "big and tough" trend means a lot of cars can't even see me most of the time. My roof doesn't even reach their side mirrors.

    Re: no hondas - ahhh the RWD thing makes sense! And less than racing I meant customization mags. Because over here in california it's all been about hondas since like 1991. There are some TRD and Mazda fanatics out there but when it comes to making a cool car from nothing, it was a civic, a CRX, or a prelude all the way. And we never really cared about nissans over here, but we also didn't get most of the cool ones. I think the RWD thing is probably still a major factor though.

    And thanks for the detailed EV answer, that does make sense, and I had heard a bit about it being specific for the EU market and trends, but hadn't realized it was tied to "we HAVE to sell X number of these no matter what."

    So my followup is, do you see a future where there's a Honda e that goes 250 miles on a charge? Like I really just want to be able to get to LA from the bay area, and that's one fillup no matter what kind of car I'm driving (well, maybe not certain hybrids). Making it more fillups than that is a bit much.

    I am sort of looking forward to that electric coup, but I am not looking forward to video/screens replacing mirrors. I find that screens have too much information so I have to search for what I'm looking for, where my mirrors are pointed right AT the lane I need to see.

    Well, honda had better hope they can last long enough to where they can capitalize on my brand loyalty, because as you say, Korea has absolutely caught up, and China is coming up extremely fast. I saw a review recently of the cheapest electric car you could get from china (maybe not this review, but one like it): https://thenextweb.com/shift/2020/06/05/changli-jalopnik-watch-worlds-cheapest-car-unboxing-a-mail-order-electric-dream-from-china/

    and they loved it! a thousand god darned dollars. of course you wouldn't want to get into an accident with that thing but it felt like an actual car. that's really something!

    [edit:] P.S. if I had a garage I'd have a changli right now and I'd be driving it to the grocery store.

    @exodus#16841 lol I wondered what those Aliexpress cars would be like! There's more than a few on there.

    NZ$ 4,954.25 | New Design Four Wheel Food Truck mobile Fast Food Cart Large Space Can Be Customized
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    https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrhqbsT

    you could live in that thing!!

    @hellomrkearns#16862 Bah, “Can be customized.” Why? It's perfect as it is!

    ah man I remembered this thread when it first popped up and wanted to post but am just getting to it now.

    My first car was a hand me down, and it seemed ancient at the time but actually it was only about 9 years old when I started driving it, a 1989 Pontiac Grand Prix. Mine was black not gray like this, but the only pictures of black ones from this body style are all the slightly cool turbo version, which I had never even heard of. Anyway this was a chubby FWD middle of the road American car which was fine, but the best part about it was probably the analog equalizer for the radio which of course was always in a V shape from bass and treble being put all the way up. The Grand Prix didin't survive my first winter with it before the 4 bald tires slid the whole thing off the road driving to school one morning.
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    I got to actually go out and pick my next car, almost got a '92 Prelude with 4 wheel steering in teal for extra 90s cred. Ended up with a 1994 Integra, black, the car that I learned to drive stick on and the car that I totaled less than half a year later driving around like an asshole thinking I was in Gran Turismo.
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    I did eventually get another car, another Acura, this time a '92 'Legend which might have been the best looking car I've ever owned. I still think about finding a Legend coupe with a manual, until I remember they were FWD for some reason. Still loved this car and the stereo I put in it after spending all of my remaining paycheck (...for some reason car insurance was expensive) from Best Buy at the car audio department at Best Buy (when I wasn't buying Dreamcast games).
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    After I moved away for school I sometimes had access to or even title to a couple other hand me downs. Another Grand Prix that was previously my dad's (a 1997 GTP coupe with a supercharger that I liked to delude myself into thinking was "totally the third fastest car that GM makes after the Corvette and the Camaro/Firebird"), a Camry Solara coupe.

    I didn't really have another car I picked out myself, that was really mine, until I moved to Japan. Getting a big honking Toyota sedan with a stick and a straight-six turbo sending power to the rear wheels was one of my main goals as soon as I moved there. It took a little time at the auctions to get the car I wanted but after doing so actually getting into the drifting scene in Japan, the local mountain, going to the Auto Salon, driving over the Rainbow Bridge and the Yokohama Bay Bridge, visiting Daikoku PA on the weekends, I never once actually needed a car but having a Mark II Tourer V was one of the highlights of my time there. Met cool people, inhaled way too much tire smoke, got the shacho from the tuning shop I frequented to argue with my insurance company after a trucker fell asleep at the wheel and flipped his rig directly in front of me on a highway overpass (I mostly came out unscathed, but the insurance company still wanted to total the car based on some scratches to the front quarter and door (also the trucker's cab was totally full of porno mags which spilled everywhere all over the highway after he flipped his truck) (shacho negotiated me into full repairs and a whole new body kit even replacing the side skirts my wife cracked the one time she drove it)). Aaaand shit, it looks like the blog I had about it no longer exists on blogspot so all I have access to are a few facebook pics. Hopefully I still have the original pictures saved somewhere.... at least I'll always have the screen name. So here's a picture of it next to a Supra at Ebisu Circuit.
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    Since moving back to America I've had a Subaru Impreza, a Honda CR-V, and now a scion FR-S which I do like quite a bit.

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    @exodus#16841 So my followup is, do you see a future where there’s a Honda e that goes 250 miles on a charge?

    Yeah, technology will get there in the end, battery energy density is getting better and prices are coming down. Problem is, in the US you're likely to see that technology get put in a boring compact crossover package rather than something more interesting.

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    @thebryanjzx90#16890 1994 Integra

    Yeeeesss...

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    @thebryanjzx90#16890 ’92 Legend

    _Yeeessss...._

    I think Legends are just about the classiest things on the road. They don't scream "quality", they just say it, in an indoor voice, and only if you ask.

    Holy cow! I have enjoyed reading this thread immensely! I will add my own brief history of cars to the pile as well.

    Car #1: 1994 Ford F150 Limited
    Purchased from a farmer who lived down the street from me in 2009 for $750. Rusty, but rugged. Single Cab with a six foot bed. It was great for hauling around my dirtbike or guys from the high school to the nearby soccer field for practice. It was shockingly powerful with a 5L V8, but that came at a price because if you ever took it on a highway you could more or less watch the gas gauge descend. It had two 17 liter gas tanks in an attempt to remedy this situation and you could switch between them using a switch on the dash. It broke down frequently; requiring me to replace the starter x2, the alternator, 3 of the 4 brake lines, and patch multiple coolant hoses. Moving to college was the last straw as she was just not gas efficient enough to make the 3 hour drive.

    Motorcycle #1: 1973 Honda CB550 Four
    Acquired the moment I turned 16 for $500. Never ever ever purchase a vehicle that requires you to tune four parallel carburetors. Still - this was the epitome of cool to me for a long time. Sold it when I went away to college.

    Car #2: 2002 Nissan Maxima SE
    Hand me down car from my mother! This car could move! I received a speeding ticket doing 100 in a 55 in this car and lost my license briefly! I put dual 12 inch subs in this and listened to mostly Treats by Sleigh Bells and Year Zero by Nine Inch Nails. Drove this car back and forth from freshmen year of college every weekend because I chose my school poorly. I irrationally hated this car! No idea why. Ended up selling it to finance the purchase of car #3.

    Car #3: 2005 Chevy Trailblazer
    My current vehicle. Purchased secondhand from my grandparents for a family discount. I have had this car since 2012. It is an extremely average vehicle. True to name I got pretty in to hiking and snowboarding in college and this vehicle facilitated travel down some fairly rough trails to enable those sports. I have done 4 cross country road trips in it. Once with 6 other people in the car! The exhaust manifold has cracked 3 times. I had to rebuild the whole brake system. Yet I can't bring myself to part with it. An interesting fact about this generation of Chevy Trailblazers is that they feature the last American Made I6 Engine. They are exclusively featured in imports these days.

    Motorcycle #2: 2008 Kawasaki Versys
    Workhorse motorcycle that has taken me on 4 2000 mile bike trips in the last 5 years. A great touring bike but not that much "fun". Currently stored in my sisters garage. Probably going to have to part with it soon.

    Just noticed this thread,

    1st car 96 Nissan Maxima, learned to drive when I was 16, and was then relegated to running family errands

    2nd car 98 Honda Civic LX, real cozy car, had to replace the radiator on it. Car got stolen, then found again with the stereo missing. Uncle got me a new stereo for Christmas. Week later brother wrecked the car(He was okay though.)

    3rd car 99 Honda Civic EX, can't mess with quality. Never really been a car person, but always enjoyed the utilitarian-ness of the design of these Civics. Pure functionality. Loved it. Even had the cassette that connected to a cd player. Moved across the country and left the car back home. Got a call from mom, that the car got stolen. Ughhhh.

    4th car 05 Honda Civic Coupe. Hondas are just so low maintenance and reliable, that well, got another one. This one had a bunch of little problems, bumper kept popping out of place, doors a little wonky, had a bunch of stickers and unnecessary attachments, like a decepticon magnet, radio fin.

    Always daydreamed about owning a 5th gen Honda Prelude. To me, it's one of the last truly stylish cars that got designed. I check craigslist sporadically, occasionally seeing a beat up one. Most of them need a lotta TLC to return them to former glory. Maybe 2-3 weeks ago, randomly surfing craigslist and found one with only 100,000 miles on it, completely stock, one owner, plastic still on the passenger floor, seemed too good to be true. Checked the car out, and it was everything I hoped for. Got it for a reasonable price.

    I'm in the midst of trying to drive reasonably well in a manual, which prior this has all been automatic cars. It's awkward and definitely takes some getting used to. I'm still very nervous, and dread the idea of being on a hill. Hopefully I get more comfortable as I continue driving it. Thinking about putting the Type-SH rims on it, and replacing the stock radio on it eventually.
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    Oh man that is a sweet looking Prelude congratulations.

    I was telling some of the higher ups at work the other day about my poor little Integra and how dumb I was to just utterly destroy it, and ended up just reminiscing a bit about Hondas in the 80s and 90s. One of the perks I guess about working in California instead of the Midwest.

    I have had quite a few cars. Living in Australia and having a license in the early 2000s meant I had a bunch of JDM imports. I have misplaced my photos unfortunately.

    Ford LTD (DA) 1988

    Big Australian made, boaty limousine with velour interior.

    Ford LTD (DA) 1989

    Same as above, bought another one after the first blew up.

    Nissan Skyline GX (R31) 1989

    My first manual car, very fun to drive. Learnt how to get sideways in this thing.

    Mazda RX-7 Limited (FC3S) 1986

    Tiny little rotary, expensive to run. Sounded interesting. Very 80s.

    Nissan Skyline GTS (HR31) 1988

    Incredible 80s machine, so very boxy.

    Toyota Supra 3.0GT Turbo A (MA70) 1988

    First turbo car. Also about as 80s as all get out.

    Holden Commodore Executive (VL) 1986

    Junk Australian made wagon. Could barely go up a hill, it‘s gearbox was so ruined.

    Toyota Celica SX (ST162) 1989

    My first front wheel drive car, good fun.

    Holden Commodore Acclaim (VT) 1997

    Junk wagon for hauling things around.

    Toyota Supra RZ (JZA80) 1995

    The car every JDM lover aspires to. Excellent car. Probably should have kept this one. The twin turbo engine is as good as everyone says.

    Ford Falcon Futura (ED) 1994

    Australian made sedan, big chrome wheels and lowered suspension, was funny.

    Toyota Corolla SX Seca (AE93) 1993

    First 4AGE powered car, blew it up revving it past 8000rpm too much haha.

    Toyota Corolla Twin-Cam Seca (AE82) 1986

    Initial D but backwards. 2nd 4AGE. This was one of my favourites. So ugly and so revvy. It had brown caramel layer cake velour interior.

    Nissan Fairlady Z 300ZX TwinTurbo (Z32) 1990

    This car was quite mental, extensively modified, no safety equipment apart from a roll cage.

    Nissan Pulsar SSS (N15) 1998

    Great fun little car.

    Kawasaki GPX250 (EX250F) 2006

    My first motorbike, it was pretty bad, but it was fun.

    Yamaha YZF-R1 (4C8) 2008

    Bigboi motorbike. Makes your face ripple. Terrifying. It got stolen and I’m kind of glad haha.

    Yamaha WR250R (32D) 2008

    Supermoto converted. Riding over kerbs never felt so good. Don‘t have this anymore. Decided to stop riding bikes.

    Toyota Corolla Sportivo (ZZE123R) 2003

    Rev to the moon. Corolla with a Celica engine.

    Toyota 86 GTS (ZN6) 2012

    Probably one of the best handling cars I’ve owned. Hated the engine and the clutch pedal however.

    Mazda MX-5 GT 2.0L (ND) 2016

    All of the above I no longer have. This is my current car. My favourite car. Join the church of Miata y'all. These cars are the best, I love it so very much.


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    @“thebryanjzx90”#p16890

    Ok had to bump this because I was at a 80s and 90s car show over the weekend and there were (much nicer and better optioned) examples of every single car I had in high school, even the Grand Prix.

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    Was it the radwood show in LA? I'd like to go to one of those once (though from the photos hondas seem to be under-represented)

    @“exodus”#p48853 yup Radwood! And hah it was at American Honda's headquarters so yes Hondas were quite well represented. There was even an award for Best Integra and they were showing off the new Integra concept car.

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    The best Integra, dunno why I only took photos from the rear

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    The new Integra concept, looks pretty good from the front

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    Favorite car I saw


    nice celica!! I‘m not a fan of the new integra visually… those angry headlights and prominant plastic grill just aren’t honda to me.

    I apparently tend to get cars new and hold onto them so I only have a few to talk about, but I used to be a Honda fan!

    Here was my first, the **2000 Honda Civic sedan** in "Clover Green Pearl" (green). [upl-image-preview url=//i.imgur.com/4GClTwN.jpeg] It cost me $15k new in June of 2000, and I drove it for 100k miles before selling it to my sister, who went off the road into a ditch with it and I think that was the end of the Civic. It had no traction controls to speak of, and I accidentally fish-tailed on both black ice and loose sand, but the front-engine FWD design meant I could steer out of it like a video game as long as I kept my cool. So that was fun while it lasted. But for most people it was synonymous with "boring," to be honest.

    I "upgraded" to another Honda, the **2010 Honda Insight** hybrid. People that didn't think much about cars would call it a Prius, and I would be mildly offended. It was basically a Honda Prius, but the hybrid engine was a serial assist rather than a parallel, meaning it had no electric-only propulsion mode. It was always gas, with a little electric helper. Sitting inside it, I still preferred it over any Prius. It had white-on-blue LEDs, communicative steering and nice regen braking. The worst part about it was —well there are a few things but— the C-pillars. They were two enormous blind spots. Parallel parking, or any kind of backing up was a harrowing experience (there was no backup camera). I had to adjust my side mirrors a bit wider to cover the blind spots. I drove this car on all kinds of east coast road trips, with three or four friends going as far as 500 miles before refueling its 11 gallon tank. At about the 100k miles mark I sold it to my ex-gf. Who knows what she did to it but I stopped seeing it parked around town so I think she totaled it or upgraded.

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    My current ride is a 2019 BMW i3s. I live in the city now and it is a city car, in other words people will ask me things like "why is your car so small." It's basically a carbon fiber Mini Cooper S with electric torque. It handles like a video game car in arcade mode. The center-of-gravity is beneath you and the wheels are at the corners, and the car is lightweight construction so there is no body roll or weight transfer when braking or accelerating, and the turning radius lets you do a u-turn on a two-lane road. Braking distance hasn't been measured, but I would bet it can stop from 70 to 0mph in under 150 feet.

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    @“tanuki”#p48878 The worst part about it was —well there are a few things but— the C-pillars. They were two enormous blind spots. Parallel parking, or any kind of backing up was a harrowing experience

    I have a CR-Z which is basically a squished insight and 100% agree with this. I bought one of those granny convex stick on mirrors after almost changing lanes into a car on the highway on a rainy night.

    After first being quite excited I am now feeling a little let down about that new Integra. It's a nice yellow but has a joker-scar smile and looks pretty big. I tend to like smaller cars. I'm in the midst of possibly making a poor financial decision of selling my hybrid and buying an old 3.2L Audi TT while fuel is $2.50/L. I'll post if I do it.

    yeah, I was excited that there was an integra and then less excited when I actually saw it. It feels like they want to make “a contemporary sports car” rather than “an acura integra” if that makes sense.

    those C-pillars (is that what they're called?) drive me nuts. My mom still has an insight and the rear view mirror is essentially useless. You might as well just remove it from the car because you can't see anything out of it. It's side mirrors or nothing, basically, which makes me nervous!