Ep. 159 - Loopy Lorries, with Ash Parrish

Ep. 159 - Loopy Lorries, with Ash Parrish

Special guest Ash Parrish of Kotaku joins us to discuss fanfic, narcware, The Lost City of Zinj, and Weiner Hotdog. Opening and closing theme created by Kurt Feldman.

**Questions this week:**

  • 1. From previous winner Gita Jackson, what video game would be most improved by making the protagonist black? (07:26)
  • 2. Which video game trilogy has the strongest three act structure? (14:33)
  • 3. What kinds of video games inspire the best fan fiction? (18:45)
  • 4. What role has console cloning played in video game history? (24:24)
  • 5. If there were a fighting game with only characters from dorm room movie posters, who would the strongest be? (29:16)
  • 6. Patreon Supporter Nathan Roberts asks, what video games could or should have received a sensitive British localization? (36:06)
  • 7. What’s with all the DMCA takedowns on Twitch streamers all of the sudden? (41:32)
  • 8. When do you wish a game was longer? (46:13)
  • 9. If you worked for a video game matchmaking service, what characters would you set up on a date? (51:54)
  • 10. What are the Black Eyed Peas of video games? (57:37)
  • LIGHTNING ROUND: Video Game Sequel Subtitles (01:04:03)

    **A SMALL SELECTION OF THINGS REFERENCED:**

  • - Congo (1995)
  • - [Congo the Movie: The Lost City of Zinj](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_The_Movie:_The_Lost_City_of_Zinj)
  • - [Ernie Hudson](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001368/)
  • - [Three-act structure](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-act_structure)
  • - [Sonic the Hedgehog - All Media Types AO3 page](https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Sonic%20the%20Hedgehog%20-%20All%20Media%20Types/works)
  • - [Final Fantasy AO3 page](https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Final%20Fantasy/works)
  • - [Subor](https://bootleggames.fandom.com/wiki/Subor)
  • - [Pegasus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus_%28console%29)
  • - [Dendy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dendy_(console))
  • - [Fly by Sugar Ray](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUtnwcv-quE)
  • - [Everlast](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everlast_(musician))
  • - [Tim’s American Gridiron review](https://kotaku.com/football-the-kotaku-review-5980571)
  • - [The Avengers](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0054518/)
  • - [Metroid Otherm](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroid:_Other_M)
  • - [Black Eyed Peas discography](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Eyed_Peas_discography)
  • - [Soil & "Pimp" Sessions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil_%26_%22Pimp%22_Sessions)
  • **Recommendations:**
    **Brandon:** [What's going on with Dreamcast and Atomiswave](https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/1327380327308820481), [Sushi Bar in particular](https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/1327383559686868993?s=20)
    **Ash**: [Kotaku Splitscreen](https://kotaku.com/c/podcast/splitscreen)

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    I think this came up on an earlier episode and I didn‘t comment on it, but I’m not sure I agree with Frank‘s delineation between “remaster” and “remake.” I mean, given his definition of remaster (uses all the original art assets but renders them at a higher resolution), wouldn’t that Final Fantasy VIII remaster actually be a remake, because all the character models were replaced with more detailed versions?



    I don‘t think it should be! It’s still basically the same game. But it's absolutely not just the original game running at a higher resolution.

    I will argue we actually need THREE categories:

    A **Remake** is any game which introduces new art assets _AND_ significantly changes the level design and/or mechanics of the original game, but retains the basic story or scenario. Examples: Resident Evil 2 Remake, Metroid: Zero Mission, Tomb Raider: Anniversary. _(Film Equivalent: Peter Jackson's King Kong)_

    A **Remaster** is any game which introduces new art assets (or completely overhauls the visuals altogether), but retains a majority of the original level design and game mechanics, optionally with minor tweaks or quality of life improvements to make it more palatable for modern tastes. Examples: Demon's Souls, Crash Bandicoot or Spyro remake trilogies, Final Fantasy VIII Remastered. _(Film Equivalent: Gus Van Sant's Psycho)_

    An **Enhanced Port** (remember when we used to use this?) is what I would call what Frank described as a remaster - the original game, original assets intact, just playing at an enhanced resolution and/or framerate. Examples: The Ico/Shadow of the Colossus PS3 port, Bluepoint's Metal Gear Solid HD Collection. _(Film Equivalent: A 4K restoration of any classic film)_

    Yeah, I wasn‘t fully on board with that either, it feels like we need more space to move with these descriptions. I guess we’ll have to bring this back up somehow!!! the above descriptions feel pretty good to me.

    they really wrote “bjorn farts” in the peggle 2 design document

    @GigaSlime#9355 I think a “remaster” should refer only to higher res original art assets with no other changes. “Remaster” refers to cleaned-up re-releases of the original master recordings of music, and for film it would be cleaned up prints of original negatives. So I think any cosmetic or QoL changes and you're in the “enhanced” category

    I think you make a good observation with an "enhanced port" category, and I think almost every "remastered" game probably belongs there

    @yeso#9376 I think if game companies hadn‘t already decided that “remaster” refers to games where new assets are used to faithfully recreate the experience of the original game, I probably would have switched those terms, yeah. But I dunno, “Enhanced Port” to me also feels like it suggests a lot the game’s original code is being utilized, which I don't know is necessarily the case in stuff like the Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy. So maybe not.

    Since you bring up music, I think the _ideal_ thing would be to use both music and film as a point of reference - a completely new game based on the original experience would be a **Remake**, a recreation of the original with new assets would be a **Cover**, and a presentation of the original game at a higher resolution or framerate would be a **Remaster**. But again, Remaster is already officially the term for what I'm calling a Cover here.

    Yeah I agree with your framing in the 2nd paragraph. Didn't know that game marketing had already muddied the term “remaster” so much

    I think if we‘re talking game trilogies, Halo 1 2 and 3 are in my mind the best example of an overarching plot that leads to a hotly anticipated final game (Halo 3, finish the fight!) on a then-new console. I don’t think any game really matches the leadup to Halo 3 given that 2 ended on a bit of a cliffhanger (or just ended, due to infamously rushed development). Games these days are live service games, and so numbered sequels that tie plot arcs together feel a lot more rare.

    what was the plot of the halo series again, was that the one where an underwater octopus goes MEMFAKMMFMFMFMKDMFMFKMDKFMFM for a while and master chief says “uh huh”

    master chief starts the fight, then he decides to finish the fight, then he proceeds to finish the fight

    Also I'd say that Suikodens I-II-III form an effective trilogy. The first about having unwanted authority and responsibility thrust upon you, the second about the emotional/psychic toll of war and cost of violence (that 'escape' ending is kind of amazing), and the third is about the evils of empire and colonialism. They're only loosely connected in direct plot terms, but the macro events all feed into the next and the themes are in conversation with the previous games.

    @exodus#9412 that was Halo 2, on that second halo they find there's the “Gravemind” which was the Flood, but if it spoke in iambic pantameter

    You all really undersold the sailor moon girls during that bit about dorm poster warriors! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIRBmPYB7Y4

    I know she isn't an "inner senshi" but uranus is out here dropping full screen dash up SPDs on suckers

    @remz#9422 my partner has informed me on multiple occasions Sailor Moon late in the series (as Sailor Cosmos) achieves reality-altering god powers so I was thinking the same thing, yeah.

    I can‘t believe video game consoles with lots of syllables didn’t include the “Super Nintendo Entertainment System” :joy::rofl::joy:

    more midwestern guests please (Heaven's Perfect Children)

    oh yeah, I think sailor moon and dbz kind of killed the conversation because who can defeat them really

    hey brandon for what it‘s worth i thought the alan partridge game idea was good, i’d play that on my switch.

    Alan Partridge rules!!!

    Alan Partridge should be an announcer on the next fifa