Ep. 168 - Insert Credit GOTY 2020

### Ep. 168 - Insert Credit GOTY 2020

The only game of the year podcast willing to say, On Main, that VR isn’t video games, Sonic The Hedgehog The Movie is a game, and Dragon Quest XI came out in 2020. Original music by Kurt Feldman.

**Alphabetical (Unranked) Nominees:**

  • - 13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim (09:39)
  • - A Short Hike for Nintendo Switch (14:00)
  • - Animal Crossing: New Horizons (18:18)
  • - Blaseball (25:03)
  • - Deadly Premonition 2 (28:45)
  • - Demon’s Souls Remake (32:44)
  • - Disc Room (37:02)
  • - DooM 64 for Nintendo Switch (41:25)
  • - DooM Eternal (46:10)
  • - Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition (49:56)
  • - Final Fantasy VII Remake (53:57)
  • - GG Aleste 3 (01:01:01)
  • - Hades (01:07:17)
  • - Half-Life: Alyx (01:11:51)
  • - Ikenfell (01:20:22)
  • - Kentucky Route Zero: TV Edition (01:26:28)
  • - The Last of Us Part II (01:30:14)
  • - Spider-Man: Miles Morales (01:35:58)
  • - Streets of Rage 4 (01:40:26)
  • - Yakuza: Like a Dragon (01:45:27)
  • **THE FINALIZED AND RANKED 2020 TWENTY:**

  • 1. ||Yakuza: Like a Dragon||
  • 2. ||A Short Hike for Nintendo Switch||
  • 3. ||Ghost of Tsushima||
  • 4. ||Demon's Souls Remake||
  • 5. ||Sonic the Hedgehog: The Movie||
  • 6. ||Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition||
  • 7. ||Final Fantasy VII Remake||
  • 8. ||Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020||
  • 9. ||Animal Crossing: New Horizons||
  • 10. ||Hades||
  • 11. ||Kentucky Route Zero: TV Edition||
  • 12. ||Deadly Premonition 2||
  • 13. ||The Last of Us Part II||
  • 14. ||Spider-Man: Miles Morales||
  • 15. ||Disc Room||
  • 16. ||DooM 64 2020||
  • 17. ||DooM Eternal||
  • 18. ||Hyperspace Delivery Service for Nintendo Switch||
  • 19. ||GG Aleste 3||
  • 20. ||13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim||
  • **A SMALL SELECTION OF THINGS REFERENCED:**

  • - [DooM: Annihilation](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8328716/) (2019)
  • - [Samurai Showdown NeoGeo Collection](https://www.snk-corp.co.jp/us/games/ssngc/)
  • - [Ys I & II](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ys_I_%26_II)
  • - [What is "Blaseball" and why is it taking over the internet?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5t8DwnDE1k&t=908s) by Quentin Smith
  • - [Legend of the Red Dragon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_the_Red_Dragon)
  • - [Red Seeds Profile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deadly_Premonition#cite_ref-40)
  • - [Disc Room Non-Gameplay Trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k75Xcuwrgrw)
  • - [Disc Room Gameplay Trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGPonyQKQK8)
  • - [Game Gear Micro](https://60th.sega.com/en/contents/ggmicro/)
  • - [Analog's Shinobi tweet](https://twitter.com/analogue/status/1349401478155423749?s=20)
  • - [Mike min-YOLE-uh](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mignola)
  • - [Hyperspace Delivery Service](https://store.steampowered.com/app/876320/Hyperspace_Delivery_Service/)
  • - [PC Pilot Magazine](https://pocketmags.com/us/pc-pilot-magazine)
  • - [Irem's "Exidna" Console](https://web.archive.org/web/20070809044454/http://www.irem.co.jp/contents/gallery/aprilfool_05/menu/index.html)
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    Haven‘t been back here in a minute but had to return to say - great list! Brandon especially, I’d like to thank you for the heads up on Hyperspace, because that COMPLETELY flew under my radar and I'm a couple hours into it now, extremely my thing.

    I wish I had a way of playing that Aleste collection :(

    glad you‘re enjoying hyperspace delivery service! it’s real cool!

    Hey, just wanted to ask a question, it seems that the survey is asking about interests other than videogames, is that correct? There are things other than videogames? Besides VR games, which aren't videogames,

    Slight criticism over the last couple of episodes done using this format: I feel like they have been done in a way that the panel feels forced to give thoughts on stuff that either they haven't played yet or they are not incredibly interested at. The result has shown I think in the guests zoning out and losing interest on the topic or just giving plain and bored (and honestly a bit boring) answers.

    Examples of this would be Tim saying that doesn't understand or appreciate horror during the Halloween podcast, Brandon saying that he doesn't care about any of the games during the GOAT episode or Frank skipping over certain games in this one. This is in contrast with the PS2cular episode for example, which also used a similar listing format but was about a topic that had everyone on board and excited to comment.

    So I guess my suggestion would be maaaaaybe tayloring these episodes to the tastes of the whole panel a bit more, or trying to select topics that get everyone invested in the future? My intention here is being constructive so please take no offense!

    I liked Streets of Rage 4 a lot! I have not really played that many brawlers in my life though so maybe that‘s why I didn’t find it boring. But I thought the risk/reward of the i-frame moves combined with trying to get really big combos was pretty fun. Figuring out how the movesets work with all the different characters was good too, and I enjoyed the art. The enemies get kinda repetitive and I have mixed feelings about the bosses, but overall I really liked it and I was surprised you guys felt so negatively about it! It's been one of my favorite “pick up and play” games this year

    @cubbienathan#14213 yeah I loved Streets of Rage 4. Thought the combat was real fun, the art and music are incredible, all the little extras were great. Can't really think of anything I would want significantly changed.

    @cubbienathan#14213 I think the big issue for us was having played all the streets of rage games previously, many times throughout our lives, we all had a lot of ideas for what you could do to advance the series, and this game did very few new things, with a generic (sorry lizardcube) art style, and worse music, which made it just feel disappointing versus its potential.

    @JoJoestar it's a tough one because while I agree that this creates some dead spots, sometimes we have something to say about something we forgot about, or something we played but wouldn't have nominated or etc - but that stuff can get a bit negative. Also Frank doesn't play quite as many new games (or genres in general, he's not a fighting game person) as Tim or I which means there'll be some blank spots in there anyway - it's a tough one to reconcile!

    If you're curious, here's my list of games I played for over 1 hour.

    Games I liked:
    Yakuza like a dragon
    deadly premonition 2
    Hyperspace Delivery Service
    Doom Eternal
    Doom 64
    Shinsekai into the depths (switch version, iOS version came out earlier)
    short hike (came out on switch in 2020, I'm counting it, but we don't have to)
    sakuna of rice and ruin
    sonic 2 (Sega ages - it's low because it barely counts)
    animal crossing (I didn't play it but I watched my girlfriend play it which is basically the same thing)

    games I played and had mixed feelings about:
    13 Sentinels: Aegis Rim
    samurai shodown neo geo collection (lol)
    gunsport (lol x 2)
    desolate roads (lol also)
    paprium (it's better than streets of rage 4 but has some weird homophobia-adjacent stuff)
    Streets of Rage 4
    ikenfell
    nioh 2
    spiderman miles morales
    hades
    the pathless
    Disaster Report 4 (played the demo only)
    mario 35
    herzog zwei (sega ages)

    games I played and didn't like:
    FFVIIR
    Persona 5 Royal
    bloodroots
    panzer dragoon (I do have a lot to say about it though)
    star wars squadrons
    Ghostrunner
    Resident Evil 3 (played the demo only)
    genshin impact
    going under
    spelunky 2

    I really didn't like Deadly Premonition 2 so I enjoyed it becoming a mid tier punching bag and then having Last of Us 2 put directly under it, good bants.

    I started playing Yakuza: Like a Dragon a few weeks ago and loved it, but around 18 hours in I was really starting to get sick of the frequent piss-easy battles. I wish it either let you pick Hard Mode on your first playthrough (apparently it‘s only available as a New Game+ deal like with FFVII Remake) or had something like Earthbound where you just automatically win battles with low-level enemies. I want to get back into it! I think when the PS5 version comes out I’ll give it another shot and uh, just use the auto-battle for most of the game, lol.

    glad to see you guys criticize animal crossing so severely… it was immensely disappointing to me, probably the second worst of the primary series (not counting the mobile game or spin-offs), ahead of the Wii one that virtually nobody played.

    I am curious to play a lot of these games. aside from Animal Crossing, the only large-scale game I played this year was Death Stranding, and decent amount of random Switch stuff, like the various Doom games, etc. kind of strange to see Ghosts of Tsushima so high, but I know Tim is the only one that played it. I will probably grab it when it gets down to $20 or whatever.

    everything i have heard and seen about Hades makes me very sure that I will not like it very much at all. I also don't like the art style at all, and everything i've seen about the way people are talking about the characters does kind of gross me out a bit. idk.

    edit: also amusing that Cyberpunk 2077 was not mentioned in this, even once. makes me all the more curious what Tim is going to say about it in his video.

    yeah it’s difficult for me to distinguish between animal crossing as good game vs animal crossing the emotional comfort software arriving on the market at crucial time. Don’t mean to be unkind in that description. Just think there’s a trend of sort of videogame self-help app and perseverative affirmation of good values/politics via art/media. Not sure what to think of it good bad or otherwise but find it suspect.

    could be that I’m just getting old (56)

    @GigaSlime#14222 Yeah, the low-level enemies get really annoying at the point that sometimes I couldn‘t evade them and it kinda ruins the experience to me. There are so many great things about Yakuza: Like a Dragon that made the overall experience incredibly enjoyable, but this is a mistake I’ve seen in Kiwami (and probably is in other Yakuza games) and I think this is fixable and the only really bad thing about the game, but damn, this can get really frustrating sometimes.

    this episode solidified my decision to pick up doom 64 on my switch (i've never played it)

    @GigaSlime#14222 seems obvious to me that they confine battles to the dungeon-like base-assaults they always do (like storming a clan office or millenium tower), story-connected street fights, and those ultra-intense boss fights. Are all the rote encounters meant to be padding? They cutscenes are long enough, noone's getting shortchanged on game length.

    @exodus#14215 I was trying to be careful on how I presented that post because I do think negativity has its space and worth, but in my personal experience it‘s usually more interesting when, as you said, is directed at something and articulated from that perspective. The problem surfaces when you guys don’t care enough to say why or how you don‘t care, if that makes any sense, which I feel has happened a couple of times in the last episodes. On the other hand, this is something that really goes along with a podcast as improvisational and free-form as this one, it’s basically impossible to always have something interesting to say about every topic, and I actually wouldn‘t want to put that pressure on anyone. So please don’t take it too seriously, it's just something that I think could be alleviated maybe without too much effort?

    About your list of games I was surprised that you nominated Doom Eternal, I thought you didn't like it! But maybe you just didn't like how difficulty was presented (that was the context in which I read you talking about the game I think).

    Doom 64 and Shinsekai are both up there for me too. I have discovered this year that I'm really into slow and chore-y games if the movement, which is what you spend the most time doing in those games, is in itself interesting, and that game nails that. SnowRunner was another one from this year that hit that spot for me.

    I actually did a list similar to this one on the thread I made about that very topic: https://forums.insertcredit.com/d/458-the-subtle-joy-of-making-lists/39 (in case anyone is interested)

    Re: Doom Eternal, here's what happened - I previously got the name confused with doom 2016, which I did not like. OOPS.

    I do feel like in our discussion of animal crossing we missed out on talking about how it wasn't the best game, but it was the right game for the time, etc, and that was the overwhelming value it had. oops again!

    OH, for you yakuza like a dragon-havers, I'm like 14 hours in and just got the ability to change jobs. I went and did it and my stats went down by about 25% because I was so leveled up, while giving me worse clothes, and apparently you need to buy new weapons per job?? And the benefit of each job is...!?!?!? It really extremely massively killed my motivation to continue, and in fact I haven't touched it since.

    So: should I change jobs at all, other than to get the demolition stat? is it worth it, knowing the end game is just me running around getting into annoying auto battles, etc? what would y'all advise here?

    Man it really felt like there was more to that Swery and Suda in Croatia story! Probably the most upsetting buzzer in the history of the podcast for me haha.

    I have very little to say about games of 2020 except that I am feeling increasingly disconnected from modern games. I feel like I am changing in the opposite direction to the wider audience. Luckily there are already more games I am interested in than I could ever play!

    I am a _huge_ fan of Streets of Rage 2, and I would say SoR4 slots neatly into second place for me in the series (the fan game SoR remake is also wonderful, although it didn't run super well last time I tried to play it!). I think they had to walk a fine line between innovating too hard and upsetting fans, and just adding nothing at all. The art style is not to my taste but it grew on me, as did the game overall. Music hasn't really stuck with me except for one track (Rising Up). For me the game really comes into its own when you engage with the scoring system and try to get high ranks on all the stages. Maintaining long combos is super fun.