EP. 193 - The Gex Hive, with Ian Bogost and Ash Parrish

### Ep. 193 - The Gex Hive, with Ian Bogost and Ash Parrish

Writer, game designer, and professor [Ian Bogost](https://twitter.com/ibogost) joins the panel along with Kotaku and Insert Credit regular [Ash Parrish](https://twitter.com/adashtra) to cover Hairizon Zero Dawn, Gex vs. Bubsy, and Sonic Actually Being Back. Original music by Kurt Feldman, including the all new Violence Island theme!


**Questions this week:**

  • 1. From Liz Ryerson: What’s your favorite romhack? (06:04)
  • 2. Which video game metrics and features do critics tend to ignore? (11:17)
  • 3. Which games were most affected by ESRB ratings? (16:34)
  • 4. What are the best non-Bonk Turbografx platforming games? (21:58)
  • 5. Now that Facebook games are mostly gone, how do you explain Cow Clicker to somebody who wasn’t there? (26:23)
  • 6. Violence Island: forums.insertcredit.com Submissions (32:49)
  • 7. Has a video game ever changed your opinion about something outside of video games? (41:47)
  • 8. What was the most ambitious video game to actually deliver on its promises? (47:13)
  • 9. Who is the Slavoj Zizek of video games? (51:47)
  • **LIGHTNING ROUND**: Dirtbag Driftglass presents: Casting call (55:29)


  • - [Crush 40](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crush_40)
  • - [Sonic Shoes](https://www.sonicstadium.org/2020/02/the-shoe-surgeon-and-puma-craft-limited-edition-sonic-the-hedgehog-movie-shoes/)
  • - [Peter Piper Pizza](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Piper_Pizza)
  • - [Grand Poo World](https://www.polygon.com/2019/3/12/18261661/mario-kaizo-grand-poo-world-2-dkbarbarian-grandpoobear)
  • - [Sonic 3D Blast Directors Cut](https://ttjontt.wixsite.com/gamehut/sonic-3d-blast-dx)
  • - [Super Mario Clouds](https://coryarcangel.com/things-i-made/2002-001-super-mario-clouds)
  • - [I Shot Andy Warhol](https://coryarcangel.com/things-i-made/2002-002-i-shot-andy-warhol)
  • - [Horizon: Zero Dawn](https://www.mobygames.com/game/playstation-4/horizon-zero-dawn)
  • - [Lucio from Overwatch](https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/L%C3%BAcio)
  • - [Marvel Spider-Man: Miles Morales](https://www.mobygames.com/game/marvel-spider-man-miles-morales)
  • - [Monsters, Inc. (2001)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0198781/)
  • - [Megatextures](http://renderingpipeline.com/2012/03/megatextures-in-rage/)
  • - [Rage](https://www.mobygames.com/game/rage_)
  • - [Hot Coffee](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Coffee_(mod))
  • - [Indivisible](https://www.mobygames.com/game/indivisible)
  • - [Blanka](https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Blanka)
  • - [American McGee's Alice](https://www.mobygames.com/game/american-mcgees-alice)
  • - [Let Cloud Strife Pole Dance](https://kotaku.com/put-pole-dancing-cloud-back-in-remake-you-cowards-1847160239)
  • - [Doki Doki Literature Club Plus trigger warnings](https://kotaku.com/doki-doki-literature-club-plus-adds-extra-in-game-conte-1847168036)
  • - [Grounded's Arachnophobia mode](https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-07-29-heres-how-groundeds-arachnophobia-mode-turns-creepy-spiders-into-cute-blobs)
  • - [Trypophobia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypophobia)
  • - [Chicory: A Colorful Tale](https://www.mobygames.com/game/chicory-a-colorful-tale)
  • - [Keith Courage in Alpha Zones](https://www.mobygames.com/game/turbo-grafx/keith-courage-in-alpha-zones)
  • - [Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu](https://www.mobygames.com/game/jackie-chans-action-kung-fu)
  • - [The Legendary Axe](https://www.mobygames.com/game/turbo-grafx/legendary-axe)
  • - [Cross Wiber](https://www.mobygames.com/game/turbo-grafx/cross-wiber-cyber-combat-police)
  • - [P47](https://www.mobygames.com/game/p47-thunderbolt)
  • - [Ninja Spirit](https://www.mobygames.com/game/ninja-spirit)
  • - [Rygar](https://www.mobygames.com/game/rygar_)
  • - [Cow Clicker](http://cowclicker.com/)
  • - [WIRED's piece on Cow Clicker](https://www.wired.com/2011/12/ff-cowclicker/)
  • - [XBLIG](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_Live_Indie_Games)
  • - [Parkour](https://store.steampowered.com/app/373630/Game_Type/?curator_clanid=33071231)
  • - [Tapwave Zodiac](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapwave_Zodiac)
  • - [N-Gage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Gage_(device))
  • - [Servbot](https://megaman.fandom.com/wiki/Servbot)
  • - [Lemming](https://lemmings.fandom.com/wiki/Lemming)
  • - [DeBlob](https://deblob.fandom.com/wiki/Blob)
  • - [Inkling](https://splatoonwiki.org/wiki/Inkling)
  • - [Francis York Morgan](https://deadlypremonition.fandom.com/wiki/Francis_York_Morgan)
  • - [Raz](https://psychonauts.fandom.com/wiki/Razputin_Aquato)
  • - [Fred Dukes](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Frederick_Dukes_(Earth-616))
  • - [Gex](https://gex.fandom.com/wiki/Gex)
  • - [Bubsy](https://bubsy.fandom.com/wiki/Bubsy_(character))
  • - [Dragon Age II](https://www.mobygames.com/game/dragon-age-ii)
  • - [Black & White](https://www.mobygames.com/game/black-white)
  • - [Minecraft](https://www.mobygames.com/game/minecraft_)
  • - [Death Stranding](https://www.mobygames.com/game/death-stranding)
  • - [Sonic Mania](https://www.mobygames.com/game/sonic-mania)
  • - [No Man's Sky](https://www.mobygames.com/game/no-mans-sky)
  • - [Destiny 2](https://www.mobygames.com/game/destiny-2)
  • - [Bioshock Infinite](https://www.mobygames.com/game/bioshock-infinite)
  • - [Inside Out](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2096673/)
  • - [Coco](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2380307/)
  • - [Slavoj Zizek](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavoj_%C5%BDi%C5%BEek)
  • - [Roger Ebert](https://www.rogerebert.com/roger-ebert/video-games-can-never-be-art)
  • - [Steak-umm's Twitter](https://twitter.com/steak_umm)
  • **Recommendations:**
    **Brandon:** [dedeco VGM DJ](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqH-NZi0qLRxMxim8omhTPg), [Kino Lorber's Cool As Ice blu-ray](https://www.kinolorber.com/product/cool-as-ice-blu-ray)
    **Ash**: [Chicory](https://www.mobygames.com/game/chicory-a-colorful-tale), [Kotaku Splitscreen Podcast](https://kotaku.com/culture/splitscreen)
    **Ian**: Drink an [Americano](https://www.liquor.com/recipes/americano/), play [Psychonauts](https://www.mobygames.com/game/psychonauts)

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    There are more than one Sonic hacks based on a creepypasta called Sonic.exe, but it was probably

    Ordinary Sonic ROM Hack https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1912/

    @“Geoff”#p37319 ah yeah, I think it was this but renamed something weird!!

    oh man I gotta listen to this ASAP so I can hear who the panel decided was the Slavoj Zizek of videogames

    My thing with Zizek is that I think I keep oscillating between whether I think he's brilliant or I think he's a hack turd pig, but also, he's not a guy who necessarily himself keeps oscillating, I think he's just a brilliant but turdly pig. I guess in these times it is weird to experience an ideologue that I both agree and disagree strongly with.

    Aaa I went ahead and listened to that question alone ‘cause I couldn’t take the suspense. Weirdly enough, Ian, who I don‘t know at all, had one of the same first thoughts I did, Zizek could become the Zizek of videogames at some point, and it might be closer now than ever, apparently Zizek’s son now plays a lot of videogames. We are on the cusp of hearing, uh, uh, do you know, uh, this ^sniff^ game, videogame, called Genshin Impact? I love this game

    @“Gaagaagiins”#p37331 sorry I didn‘t remember who zizek was! He’s definitely one of those “learning about this would be work” kinda guys I was vaguely aware of.

    You know, now that I think about Zizek being the Zizek of videogames…

    Uh, spoilers for _Bioshock (2007)_

    Zizek used to somewhat regularly express fairly earnest seeming anxieties about a concrete possibility of a form of social control that is basically ||the "would you kindly" twist|| in Bioshock, wherein ||someone being subject to basically complete and total manipulation of their body or conscious thoughts would be unable to distinguish the manipulation from their own conscious, rational decisions.||


    @“exodus”#p37332 Gaagaagiins sorry I didn’t remember who zizek was! He’s definitely one of those “learning about this would be work” kinda guys I was vaguely aware of.

    It's both definitely work but also maybe less than you think? Every once in a while Zizek can articulate something pretty fascinating in a way that feels revealing and enlightening.

    On the other hand, I have no damn idea where to point any of that out either and you have a considerable amount of other useful and esoteric knowledge I'd feel fine with saying is more valuable than knowing Zizek. Like, I'm still not *entirely* sure what a Turbografx is but you know 10x more about that than I've forgotten about Zizek, and I was watching a lot of his lectures recently while playing games lately!

    @“Gaagaagiins”#p37331 it is ze trash can of loot box games

    More seriously, Zizek gets a lot of love because he's very approachable and doesn't take himself too seriously. His takes run the gamut, but he demonstrates clearly (and repeatedly) that he's put some thought into it.; you might not agree with what or how he's presenting stuff, but he's definitely not blowing sunshine up your butt.

    Unfortunately, I have to say that I can't really argue with anyone who says that ||Hideo Kojima|| is the Slavoj Zizek of video games. It would probably be a lay up for someone like Jonathan Blow to take it if Blow would lay off huffing his own farts.

    Damn... I kinda hate to say it... ||Bennett Foddy||?

    @“phone”#p37336 Imagine if it was possible for me to create an animation wherein I depicted an Overwatch loot box opening and inside was simply IDEOLOGY

    I feel like I have to apologize for this but you asked for it @“Jaffe”#205

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    i don‘t know that i’ve ever played a game and consciously thought “this is a misophonic nightmare and for that reason, i will not play it”. maybe that bugsnax i suppose, but i‘m more curious if i’ve disliked games in the past that were aggravating to my misophonia, but only unconsciously.

    re tom nook casting- enjoying the idea of having a dog play a raccoon

    Glad the old theme song is back! Can't really say I was a big fan of the John Philip Sousa composition that was playing last week.

    There was an episode of the Beastcast where the host Vinny talks about how his child was upset because the other kids at school had told him about Bloody Sonic from the rom hack that was mentioned during the show and I always thought it was wild how when I was kid basically no one i knew played games and now they even know about some silly Bloody Sonic rom hack

    @“connierad”#p37364 See @“Jaffe”#205 nobody likes Souza (but of course it makes sense because it was America Day, you have to play bad music during that time)

    Slavoj Zizek as Tom Nook. I can't be the only person thinking this.




    Zizek in under 3 mins

    i'd say tim's Kotaku videos felt a bit like Zizek's film commentary, where he's mostly pointing out specific details that he finds interesting about them, with a relatable/familiar shtick and a "check out this cool thing!" kinda attitude.

    @“kitroebuck”#p37373 yes and with practical makeup effects