Ep. 198 - YSCBA, with Ash Parrish and Liz Ryerson

### Ep. 198 - YSCBA, with Ash Parrish and Liz Ryerson

Fan favorite panelists [Ash Parrish](https://twitter.com/adashtra) and [Liz Ryerson](https://twitter.com/ellaguro) return triumphant to to cover Knuckles, vaporwave, and the multitude of things the hell wrong with video games. Original music by Kurt Feldman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ujx9o31ouw

**Questions this week:**

  • 1. Let’s talk about Idris Elba as Knuckles (05:02)
  • 2. What are some cool video game collections you know about? (10:42)
  • 3. If you were in charge of a Fortnite music fest, who would you feature? (17:22)
  • 4. Are video games part of vaporwave? (23:00)
  • 5. Dirtbag Sleepy Nice demands: Name five metal genres, then assign five video games to them. (27:44)
  • 6. What the hell is wrong with video games? (33:19)
  • **LIGHTNING ROUND:** Initial Design (01:16:18)

    **A SMALL SELECTION OF THINGS REFERENCED:**

  • - [Mega Man Battle Network 2](https://www.mobygames.com/game/mega-man-battle-network-2)
  • - [Dragon Age: Origins](https://www.mobygames.com/game/dragon-age-origins)
  • - [Final Fantasy VIII Adel fight](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Adel_(boss))
  • - [Worms Armageddon](https://www.mobygames.com/game/worms-armageddon)
  • - [Idris Elba as Knuckles](https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/10/22618880/idris-elba-knuckles-voice-actor-sonic-the-hedgehog-2)
  • - [Idris Elba as Macavity](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5697572/characters/nm0252961)
  • - [Michael Jackson's involvement with Sonic 3](https://michael-jackson.fandom.com/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3)
  • - [The Knuckles Rap](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsqZLXLLZDQ)
  • - [Black Woman Gets Two World Records For Her Vast Vintage Gaming Collection](https://kotaku.com/black-woman-gets-two-world-records-for-her-vast-vintage-1847260437)
  • - [Death Crimson](https://crappygames.miraheze.org/wiki/Death_Crimson)
  • - [Travis Scott's Fortnite concert](https://fortnite.fandom.com/wiki/Travis_Scott%27s_Astronomical_(Event))
  • - [Ariana Grande's Fortnite concert](https://fortnite.fandom.com/wiki/Rift_Tour)
  • - [Marshmello's Fortnite concert](https://fortnite.fandom.com/wiki/Showtime)
  • - [Björk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bj%C3%B6rk)
  • - [Death Grips](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Grips)
  • - [Lil Nas X](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lil_Nas_X)
  • - [death's dynamic shroud - I'll Try Living Like This](https://deathsdynamicshroud.bandcamp.com/album/ill-try-living-like-this)
  • - [Broken Reality](https://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/broken-reality)
  • - [Black Thrash Metal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal#Blackened_thrash_metal)
  • - [Doom Metal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doom_metal)
  • - [Sludge Metal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sludge_metal)
  • - [Second-wave Black Metal](https://aminoapps.com/c/metal/page/item/second-wave-of-black-metal/Z6zU_XIeDqp8WJlo1ogzxaXmnzJX0N)
  • - [Grindcore](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grindcore)
  • - [Paratopic](https://www.mobygames.com/game/paratopic)
  • - [Control](https://www.mobygames.com/game/control)
  • - [S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadows of Chernobyl](https://www.mobygames.com/game/stalker-shadow-of-chernobyl)
  • - [Activision-Blizzard lawsuit and more](https://www.pcgamer.com/activision-blizzard-lawsuit-controversy-timeline-explained/)
  • - [Raccoon Logic company photo](https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1425468302583795718)
  • - [Steve Gaynor leaving Fullbright](https://www.polygon.com/22610490/fullbright-steve-gaynor-controversy-stepped-down-open-roads)
  • **Recommendations:**
    **Liz**: [The Blood Zone](https://thebloodzone.libsyn.com/), [death's dynamic shroud](https://deathsdynamicshroud.bandcamp.com/album/ill-try-living-like-this)
    **Ash**: [Pig (2021)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11003218/)
    **Brandon:** [G.I. Samurai](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Samurai), [Oddtaxi](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14134550/)
    **Jaffe**: [The Nice House on the Lake](https://www.dccomics.com/comics/the-nice-house-on-the-lake-2021/the-nice-house-on-the-lake-1)

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    The thing about insert credit is that it is so good, that now I can‘t listen to any other videogame podcast!

    Great episode y’all!

    that's high praise!! thanks very much!!

    @“穴”#p40833 saaaaaame

    Sonic & Kneekles

    Well, I never expected the second half of the program. I wouldn‘t say it has eye-opening because you have all the crappy info on the state of the industry available to you, but I think Brandon said it fine: time to talk, to connect and to grow collectively. Also, one thing to mention, though: I think the fear of opening yourself is present in all western countries, sadly, but I feel grass might be greener on the other side because of what Brandon said about legal processes (which is something that has happened for a while -I remember the Cyberpunk 2077 case, although it’s not as big as what happened with Blizzard).


    I think podcast guest liz was correct in indicating a class/capitalist axis to what's wrong w videogames. Not to let any bad actors “off the hook” for interpersonal creepiness but this capital-based mode of production + consumerist baby brain audience are prime enabling conditions. That Kingdom Come Deliverance game is a good example bc to my understanding, the issue was that the studio head was a gamergate dope, and the game itself is a critique-worthy but not really remarkably western chauvinist. I mean, I bought and played it without knowing that stuff going in and just noted it was hollywood movie dumb about “the bad guys” in central europe. But the fact that one (prominent) dev is a right winger, and the setting and scope of the game is by its nature catnip for the same crowd of consumers (who can feel validated and catered-to) makes it this sort of radioactive object churning up this weird shadow economy of creeps. Going to type the words base and superstructure here in an attempt to look smart

    @“yeso”#p40873 Yup. Now that you mention Liz‘s points, I remember what she mentioned about streamers and other gamergaters creeping at people’s content in other to win cash (and if they can get onto their “higher ground”, as wise Obi-Wan said once), I have to say that capitalism has gotten so embedded into structures that there are people getting so meta in social media and videogame (counter)criticism/propaganda that it feels disgusting. I‘ve tried watching several of these people and it’s incredible how fake and needy some of those people are, yet it's also very performative, which reminds me of how terrible YouTube in the 2010s were with people “faking being characters” (LOL). This seems that has derivated into videogames, changing none of the structures but making fandom and social spaces more insufferable. And yes, consummerism lies at the core of this, which is really problematic politically (considering consummerism/capitalism is the root of a climate change, but this is an offtopic for another day).

    Thanks for reading this in advance.

    I think I have mentioned this in one of the other music threads somewhere, but if you are interested in checking out any of the above mentioned metal genres you may not know about, https://www.metal-archives.com/ is a great resource.

    Also Empath, which uses data from metal-archives, and has a few different pages that are useful/interesting:
    https://www.furia.com/em/releases-style.html -- best releases (as ranked by reviews on metal-archives) grouped by style/genre
    https://www.furia.com/em/releases-year.html -- best releases grouped by year

    Y.S.C.B.A. (Young Spoiled Children Bastard Academy) is an accidental Fall song title from either 1994 or 2009

    banger episode. lighting up the devil‘s lettuce call that death’s dynamic shroud.

    [upl-image-preview url=//i.imgur.com/GjvX5PI.png]

    rare image of the original knuckles prototype


    great episode! glad you broke with the format a little to give some takes on what the heck is wrong with video games.

    Psyched for Liz's part 2 of indie game doc reviews on the Blood Zone. The first half was excellent.

    @“safety_man”#p40920 you can find part 2 here btw!

    (just put it out a couple hours after this episode came out).

    @“ellaguro”#p40923 Heck yea, listening now

    @“safety_man”#p40920 i’m glad you dug it!! i thought it was a neat format.

    is this something people are interested in? occasional breaks from the 10 Questions to have a back-half extended talk about something worth it? is that something you already get enough of from other shows, or does it disrupt the momentum of the episode?

    personally i love it. i believe strongly in the 10 question format and don’t want to deviate from it too often, but if we had a longer chat about things as the back half of an episode a handful of times a year, i think that’d be cool.

    @“esper”#p40925 If that‘s something you’re interested in or have the energy for, absolutely! Personally, I love the 10 Q format and lightheartedness it brings. I think it sets the show apart, too. BUT, I've also enjoyed when you all dig into something (like in the bonus credits) since you and the guests can usually speak to things with a sizeable chunk of understanding and experience.

    @“esper”#p40925 totally interested in longer discussions when the prompt demands them. i actually mentioned this in the comments on last week's episode with Mathew Kumar and Chris Remo, so, funny timing!

    >

    @“esper”#p40925 is this something people are interested in? occasional breaks from the 10 Questions to have a back-half extended talk about something worth it? is that something you already get enough of from other shows, or does it disrupt the momentum of the episode?

    I haven't even listened to the episode but do feel quite confident in the idea that the sort of people who run and guest host the show will likely give compelling answers to the question of "what's wrong with videogames," _at least_ multiple times a year, until there is not much to say about the topic. And, well, it's gonna be a deep well to draw from for the forseeable future.

    This is a critical ongoing conversation to have, and, you know, Insert Credit must be one of the few places where I think people are having this conversation internally, publicly, with regularity, and actually collaboratively. Maybe I‘m tired of good op-eds followed by reams of abusive comments that feel like to me that they have about as much impact as a fart in the wind (I’m sure this feeling is not reflective of reality but it‘s hard to feel otherwise). It’s really refreshing to see people who are inside the games industry (perhaps who are also outside the Games Industry (pejorative)) or at least the periphery undertake this discussion, in a way a hobbyist like myself can be present for.

    ...oh. Right. By the way, I'll revisit this when I have thoughts specifically about it with regards to the format of it occupying the back half of the show, but I'm sure it's great in that regard too. I just can't have enough praise for the process, I'd probably listen to more episodes where question 1-10 is "what's wrong with videogames?" I think I'd listen to that seasonally, or at least twice a year, and absolutely in response whenever some big awful event happens or some heavy truths come to light (I genuinely want to know what The Insert Credit Crew think about stuff like this).

    Actually, you know what, even though I haven't listened to the episode, I want to say something that just came to mind.

    Why should this conversation be held in a way that does not disrupt the momentum of the episode or the format of the show?

    If anything I think these conversations have a right, if not a need, to _be disruptive._ I think that's what felt so electric about the original What's Wrong With Videogames? episode, even. If the hosts of the show and the guests would at any time feel fulfilled or energized or like they are doing something they need to do by having this sort of discussion, I don't require or even want to be entertained before and after. If anything, it's a statement in of itself in relation to an interactive entertainment medium currently plagued by an overwhelming external pressure to constantly entertain and never intellectually/emotionally/ideologically challenge the audience.

    ...Unless you were just speaking more broadly about the idea of devoting the back half of a show to _any_ more complex topic. In which case, again, I haven't listened to the episode but I'm sure it's great!! Haha...