Ep. 233 - Pod of Casters, an ICS SNK KOF Roundtable

### Ep. 233 - Pod of Casters, an ICS SNK KOF Roundtable

Cool, cute, and Iori Yagami! Insert Credit Fighting Game Correspondent [Patrick Miller](https://twitter.com/pattheflip) hosts [Brandon Sheffield](https://twitter.com/necrosofty), EVO Head Tournament Organizer [Andrés “nothingxs” Velasco y Coll](https://twitter.com/nothingxs) and classic Insert Credit writer [Azurelore Korrigan](https://twitter.com/azurelore_prime) to cover the King of Fighters, the fall of SNK, and Insert Credit’s history with both.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d22fALkIdY

**Questions this week:**

  • 1. What brought this panel together? (02:11)
  • 2. What are your fighting game credentials? (10:55)
  • 3. How has SNK’s purchase by a murderous dictator impacted your relationship with the company and King of Fighters series? (18:24)
  • 4. What would an in-person Insert Credit event be like? (28:43)
  • 5. If you disappeared for twenty years, what alias would you return as? (34:49)
  • 6. Why do you play KOF? (41:26)
  • 7. How will Kyo and Iori’s long term relationship unfold? (51:32)
  • 8. Do you think this iteration of SNK is the most successful since the 90’s? (58:39)
  • 9. In a better world, what classic SNK series would you like to come back? (01:07:14)
  • 10. Which game in the series sound design has stuck with you the most? (01:13:03)
  • 11. What is the best outfit in KOF history? (01:20:56)
  • 12. What are your favorite King of Fighters spinoffs and minigames? (01:26:44)
  • 13. Who is the King of Fighters? (01:31:53)
  • **LIGHTNING ROUND**: Bio Logical (01:37:37)

    Recommendations and Outro (01:46:56)

    **A SMALL SELECTION OF THINGS REFERENCED:**

  • - [King of Fighters series](https://www.mobygames.com/game-group/king-of-fighters-series)
  • - [Athena Asamiya](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Athena_Asamiya)
  • - [Kyo Kusanagi](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Kyo_Kusanagi)
  • - [Nakoruru](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Nakoruru)
  • - [Joe Higashi](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Joe_Higashi)
  • - [Yashiro Nanakase](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Yashiro_Nanakase)
  • - [Angel](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Angel)
  • - [May Lee Jinju](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/May_Lee)
  • - [Iori Yagami](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Iori_Yagami)
  • - [Clark Still](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Clark_Still)
  • - [Mai Shiranui](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Mai_Shiranui)
  • - [King](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/King)
  • - [Leona](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Leona)
  • - [Vanessa](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Vanessa)
  • - [Mad Man’s Cafe](https://www.mmcafe.com/bbs/viewer.html)
  • - [Street Fighter series](https://www.mobygames.com/game-group/street-fighter-series)
  • - [Capcom vs. SNK 2: Mark of the Millennium](https://www.mobygames.com/game/capcom-vs-snk-2-mark-of-the-millennium)
  • - [Skullgirls](https://www.mobygames.com/game/skullgirls)
  • - [Asuka 120% Excellent: BURNING Fest.](https://www.mobygames.com/game/asuka-120-excellent-burning-fest)
  • - [Ga-rou-den Breakblow](https://www.mobygames.com/game/ps2/ga-rou-den-breakblow)
  • - [The Rumble Fish 2](https://www.mobygames.com/game/arcade/rumble-fish-2)
  • - [Samurai Shodown series](https://www.mobygames.com/game-group/samurai-shodown-series)
  • - [Saudi prince Mohammed bin Salman buys 96% of SNK day after KOF XV release](https://twitter.com/pattheflip/status/1511202974093099009)
  • - [Captain Tsubasa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Tsubasa)
  • - [West Oakland Punks With Lunch](https://www.punkswithlunch.org/)
  • - [King of Dinosaurs](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/King_of_Dinosaurs)
  • - [K9999](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/K9999)
  • - [Akira (1988)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0094625/?_encoding=UTF8)
  • - [Terry Bogard](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Terry_Bogard)
  • - [Krohnen McDougall](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Krohnen_McDougall)
  • - [Super Smash Bros. Ultimate – Mr. Sakurai Presents "Terry Bogard"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK3VltKv3JI)
  • - [Chizuru Kagura](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Chizuru_Kagura)
  • - [Kusanagi](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Kusanagi)
  • - [Yuki](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Yuki_(KOF))
  • - [Allegory of the Wind](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Allegory_of_the_Wind)
  • - [Yakuza / Ryū ga Gotoku series](https://www.mobygames.com/game-group/yakuza-ry-ga-gotoku-series)
  • - [Guilty Gear series](https://www.mobygames.com/game-group/guilty-gear-series)
  • - [Metal Slug Tactics](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1590760/Metal_Slug_Tactics/)
  • - [Twinkle Star Sprites series](https://www.mobygames.com/game-group/twinkle-star-sprites-series)
  • - [Shock Troopers](https://www.mobygames.com/game/shock-troopers)
  • - [Beast Busters series](https://www.mobygames.com/game-group/beast-busters-series)
  • - [Athena](https://www.mobygames.com/game/athena)
  • - [Crystalis](https://www.mobygames.com/game/crystalis)
  • - [Cool Cool Jam](https://www.mobygames.com/game/neo-geo-pocket-color/cool-cool-jam)
  • - [Magician Lord](https://www.mobygames.com/game/magician-lord)
  • - [Crossed Swords](https://www.mobygames.com/game/crossed-swords)
  • - [Top Hunter: Roddy & Cathy](https://www.mobygames.com/game/top-hunter-roddy-cathy)
  • - [Ikari Warriors games](https://www.mobygames.com/game-group/ikari-warriors-games)
  • - [The King of Fighters (2010)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1038685/)
  • - [Yashiro Nanakase](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Yashiro_Nanakase)
  • - [Shermie](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Shermie)
  • - [Benimaru Nikaido](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Benimaru_Nikaido)
  • - [K'](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/K%27)
  • - [Puzzle Fighter series](https://www.mobygames.com/game-group/puzzle-fighter-series)
  • - [This is what the King of Fighters MOBA looks like](https://www.eurogamer.net/this-is-what-the-king-of-fighters-moba-looks-like)
  • - [Kunio / Nekketsu High games](https://www.mobygames.com/game-group/kunio-nekketsu-high-games)
  • - [Team American Sports](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Team_American_Sports)
  • - [Duck King](https://snk.fandom.com/wiki/Duck_King)
  • **Recommendations:**
    **Brandon:** [Casa Sanchez Picoso Chips](https://casasanchezsf.com/products/chips/)
    **Azurelore**: [Far Away Times](https://farawaytimes.itch.io/)
    **Andrés:** [DNOpls](https://www.twitch.tv/dnopls), [Patrick Miller’s patreon](https://www.patreon.com/pattheflip)
    **Pat**: [Capcom vs. SNK 2: Mark of the Millennium](https://www.mobygames.com/game/capcom-vs-snk-2-mark-of-the-millennium)

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    thank you for catching the sticky, dear syzygy. it is two in the am, i need to be awake in five hours!! goodnight and enjoy the show everyone!!

    i have not been this excited to listen to an episode of the show in a long time

    Someone once described Terry Bogard as “that guy who'll pull over to offer you a ride and when you open the door you have to sweep like 50 big mac wrappers onto the floor” and that one statement communicates more about the character than the dozens of games and multiple cross-media adaptations ever have

    @“gsk”#p67692 I feel like I know them now!

    @“gsk”#p67692 I'm imagining this scene playing out on an arcade cab in attract mode format

    I have to say, I think I can guess pretty accurately what Terry Bogard smells like.

    That sounds like a great episode. Will patiently wait for the video edit.

    pulls up, rolls down window…

    ***ARE YOU OKAY?***

    I love KoF the series, but I like the series as a concept more than I personally enjoy KoF the games. So CvS2 is my primary reference for this next statement:


  • - King
  • - Kyo
  • - Rock
  • I guess if I have to take an Iori, I'll take Evil Iori.

    @“antillese”#p67703 That‘s almost a good CvS2 team! Rock is super good in CvS2 and Kyo is very solid (though opinion on him sort of shifted over time and Iori’s stock rose; Iori's now considered better in CvS2 to my [surprise/delight]).

    King might be the worst character in the game, but there are people out there winning tournaments with her, so what do we know? [Here's some GunterJPN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNKrMc3znRg)!

    @"kory"#p67701 BUSTER WOLF~!

    @“nothingxs”#p67707 Don’t worry. I’m only “almost a good CvS2 player!”

    I hope to hear you again on the podcast. You did a great job!

    Additional notes: if you started hearing us talking about Freestyle2 and are wondering about basketball and SNK characters, well: here's the Shermie trailer from that game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2VeXiY4cHo

    @"antillese"#p67709 Thank you very much! I've expressed my interest in participating again, so I think it'd come down to whether people thought it was a topic I knew about or not.

    Also, if you ever want to just play CvS2, Pat may have mentioned Fightcade2, but I also lurk around there from time to time; there's always time for CvS2 in everyone's hearts.

    I hope you all like hearing about one series you've barely played for two hours!!

    >

    @“exodus”#p67712 hearing about one series you’ve barely played for two hours

    This is at least 99% of insert credit dot com for me, and I’m (demonstrably, inexplicably) here for it

    @“exodus”#p67712 I‘ve found over several years of engaging with KOF fans and fans of other fighting games in North America that, turns out, a lot of people wind up having some experience with SNK games to some degree, so long as they’re mostly within like, ~13 years of age of us in either direction. They were often an inexpensive title you could pick up for your kids in the days of the PS1, Saturn, PS2 and Dreamcast. Many people may have interacted with CvS2 at the time, and thus peeked into what this “SNK” was about as a result. Doubly so if you're friends with an immigrant kid, right?

    Like, a kid that you grew up with that came from Perú or Pakistan, Mexico or China, Japan or France—those kids might've known and loved those things as a kid, along with other things they brought with them that they were already familiar with when you were just finding out about them (like DBZ). A lot of my friends found out about KOF because they had a passing interest in it, then my short Mexican ass came along and knew tons on the subject... and now they're into it too, excited about me scrounging up a copy of the latest game on eMule and cracking open DiscJuggler so we could play it on our friends' Dreamcast on those huge DC pads.

    The early 00s were weird and magical.

    I do think knowing about “something related to snk” is an easier ask than kof specifically. I don't have data for it but despite the longevity of kof I suspect samurai shodown is the best known property here, followed by metal slug, then maybe kof? But maybe things have shifted now!

    This was such a great episode, it meant a lot to me!!

    I felt so much joy hearing Azurlore talk about the inherent queerness of KOF! Thinking about it, it's no coincidence that I got into KOF and came out as bi at around the same time last year.

    Also, Andrés' talk about Terry got me very emotional listening to this on the bus. Going to play some games as my boy Terry tonight.

    As much as I would love Kyo and Iori to finally get together, it would be devastating for poor Shingo. The arm that Iori broke in 11 has hopefully healed but the heartbreak from this scenario would never go away.

    I'm really glad to hear everyone's thoughts on the recent SNK purchase, it's very upsetting and disappointing news. I feel that this celebration of the series did a great job of softening that blow. It's important to be aware of what's going on and I wouldn't hold it against anyone who wanted to pirate KOFXV. Also Brandon, I would play the heck out of those game ideas of yours.

    I've been meaning to properly get into CVS2 for a while because I love the idea of putting Sakura and Yuri onto the same team (does Yuri still have her command grab in CVS2?). Patrick always does a good job of selling me on this game and this episode was no exception.

    Great work Esper going full on 5bar max mode on another big episode with some excellent music choices.

    I definitely think there are people who have a familiarity with Neo Geo that‘s not specifically related to KOF—there’s Metal Slug, of course, but games like Super Sidekicks and non-SNK games like Puzzle Bobble, Aero Fighters and Magical Drop were particularly popular outside of arcades as broader purchases for corner stores or whatever.

    I also get the impression that those Fatal Fury OVAs have a lot of cache with a certain generation in the US that's completely separate from the game, just by virtue of being in the right place at the right time re: that first big anime VHS push in the early '90s.

    One of my favorites so far. Would be down for a BSNKGOAT episode.

    @“mindleftbody”#p67727 now that is intriguing