Ep. 279 - Cauliflower If It Makes Sense, with Jeff Gerstmann

### Ep. 279 - Cauliflower If It Makes Sense, with Jeff Gerstmann

Video game journalist [Jeff Gerstmann](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Gerstmann) sits down at the Insert Credit table to cover video game history, AI, and the return of Violence Island. Hosted by Alex Jaffe, with Frank Cifaldi, Tim Rogers, Brandon Sheffield, and Jeff Gerstmann. Edited by Esper Quinn, original music by Kurt Feldman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpjFOYyYx1Y

**Questions this week:**

  • 1. Have any of you seen the news lately? (09:58)
  • 2. Let’s examine the evolution of the endless runner. (21:53)
  • 3. Wrestling games. Glorified character creators, or is there something there gameplay-wise? (28:22)
  • 4. Definitively rank tank, healer, and DPS from best to worst. (35:52)
  • 5. Kyle asks: Form a musical super group composed of video game characters. (43:38)
  • 6. Are AI programs like ChatGPT good for video games? (50:44)
  • **LIGHTNING ROUND:** Violence Island (01:03:50)

    Recommendations and Outro (01:23:49)

    **A SMALL SELECTION OF THINGS REFERENCED:**

  • - [Yakuza / Ryū ga Gotoku series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/8208/yakuza-ryu-ga-gotoku-series/)
  • - [GDC](https://gdconf.com/)
  • - [James Austin Johnson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Austin_Johnson)
  • - [The Jeff Gerstmann Show](https://www.patreon.com/jeffgerstmann)
  • - [Service Discontinuation: Nintendo eShop for Nintendo 3DS](https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/58358/~/service-discontinuation%3A-nintendo-eshop-for-nintendo-3ds)
  • - [EU's Microsoft-Activision Deadline Delay Puts UK in Driving Seat](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-17/microsoft-activision-eu-review-extended-after-remedies-offer)
  • - [Detroit: Become Human](https://www.mobygames.com/game/105139/detroit-become-human/)
  • - [Final Fantasy Creator On Why He Thinks 'Quality' Japanese Games Saw A Brief Drop](https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/gaming/final-fantasy-creator-on-why-he-thinks-quality-japanese-games-saw-a-brief-drop/ar-AA18FvaI)
  • - [Square Enix's NFT game has a new trailer](https://www.pcgamer.com/square-enixs-nft-game-has-a-new-trailer-but-im-more-interested-in-its-absolutely-dystopian-project-report/)
  • - [Commodore 1571](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commodore_1571)
  • - [https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/03/why-game-archivists-are-dreading-this-months-3ds-wii-u-eshop-shutdown/](https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2023/03/why-game-archivists-are-dreading-this-months-3ds-wii-u-eshop-shutdown/)
  • - [Canabalt](https://www.mobygames.com/game/43796/canabalt/)
  • - [TikTok is helping games about high heels and long nails go viral](https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/18/22440209/tiktok-baddie-games-high-heels-nail-woman)
  • - [Jetpack Joyride](https://www.mobygames.com/game/55840/jetpack-joyride/)
  • - [Jetpack Joyride 2](https://www.mobygames.com/game/190515/jetpack-joyride-2/)
  • - [Idle Slayer](https://www.mobygames.com/game/166898/idle-slayer/)
  • - [Holedown](https://www.mobygames.com/game/118862/holedown/)
  • - [Tunic](https://www.mobygames.com/game/181370/tunic/)
  • - [Pepsiman](https://www.mobygames.com/game/32237/pepsiman/)
  • - [WWE All Stars](https://www.mobygames.com/game/51303/wwe-all-stars/)
  • - [Style Savvy / Style Boutique / Girls Mode series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/12651/style-savvy-style-boutique-girls-mode-series/)
  • - [Tomodachi Life](https://www.mobygames.com/game/84860/tomodachi-life/)
  • - [Kingdom Something or Other 3](https://www.mobygames.com/game/149534/crusader-kings-iii/)
  • - [Hyper Gunsport](https://www.mobygames.com/game/196718/hyper-gunsport/)
  • - [Super Smash Brothers series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/508/super-smash-brothers-series/)
  • - [Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/12279/dragon-ball-z-budokai-series/)
  • - [NBA 2K series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/842/nba-2k-series/)
  • - [SaltyBet](https://www.saltybet.com/)
  • - [Fire Pro Wrestling series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/5418/fire-pro-wrestling-series/)
  • - [A.I. Artificial Intelligence (2001)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.I._Artificial_Intelligence)
  • - [Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Realm Reborn](https://www.mobygames.com/game/61766/final-fantasy-xiv-online-a-realm-reborn/)
  • - [EverQuest](https://www.mobygames.com/game/275/everquest/)
  • - [World of WarCraft](https://www.mobygames.com/game/15620/world-of-warcraft/)
  • - [A Healer Only Lives Twice](https://www.mobygames.com/game/93226/a-healer-only-lives-twice/)
  • - [Final Fantasy series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/4847/final-fantasy-series/)
  • - [Squall Leonhart](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Squall_Leonhart)
  • - [Duke Nukem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duke_Nukem_(character))
  • - [PaRappa the Rapper](https://www.mobygames.com/game/3525/parappa-the-rapper/)
  • - [Linkin Park](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkin_Park)
  • - [Noctis Lucis Caelum](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Noctis_Lucis_Caelum)
  • - [Shatterhand](https://www.mobygames.com/game/14056/shatterhand/)
  • - [I-No](https://guiltygear.fandom.com/wiki/I-No)
  • - [Lord Raptor](https://darkstalkers.fandom.com/wiki/Lord_Raptor)
  • - [Chaos](https://primalrage.fandom.com/wiki/Chaos)
  • - [Jack Garland](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Jack_Garland)
  • - [Locke Cole](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Locke_Cole)
  • - [Sabin Rene Figaro](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Sabin_Rene_Figaro)
  • - [Cloud Strife](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Cloud_Strife)
  • - [Tifa Lockhart](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Tifa_Lockhart)
  • - [Aerith Gainsborough](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Aerith_Gainsborough)
  • - [Zell Dincht](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Zell_Dincht)
  • - [Wakka](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Wakka)
  • - [Gladiolus Amicitia](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Gladiolus_Amicitia)
  • - [Barret Wallace](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Barret_Wallace)
  • - [ChatGPT](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChatGPT)
  • - [Fallout 76](https://www.mobygames.com/game/115632/fallout-76/)
  • - [Goat Simulator](https://www.mobygames.com/game/64790/goat-simulator/)
  • - [Noam Chomsky: The False Promise of ChatGPT](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/08/opinion/noam-chomsky-chatgpt-ai.html)
  • - [Dizzy](https://dizzy.fandom.com/wiki/Dizzy)
  • - [Billy Hatcher](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Hatcher)
  • - [Machamp](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Machamp_(Pok%C3%A9mon))
  • - [Goro](https://mortalkombat.fandom.com/wiki/Goro)
  • - [Quiet](https://metalgear.fandom.com/wiki/Quiet)
  • - [The Quiet Man](https://www.mobygames.com/game/115793/the-quiet-man/)
  • - [Mario](https://www.mariowiki.com/Mario)
  • - [Link](https://zelda-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Link)
  • **Recommendations:**
    **Brandon:** the plot of [Kung Fu Traveler (2017)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5775194/)
    **Jeff**: Go listen to the [Snoop Dogg Call of Duty: Vanguard voicelines](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBqg3cAesfM)
    **Frank**: [Chicory: A Colorful Tale](https://www.mobygames.com/game/166086/chicory-a-colorful-tale/)
    **Tim**: [Croupier (1998)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croupier_(film))

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    I‘ve had the thought about AI being useful for small developers to enhance their capabilities. Because you may not be able to pay a full time employee to do some stuff that with AI you can do a competent work (even if i think the most advanced AI can’t even compete with the most average of human ont he same field)

    But the pitch i keep seeing is very big companies that can totally afford to hire real humans to use AI tool and pretending that it is totally fine and the best thing ever.

    Re: DPS, Tank, Healer chat:

    In secret best multiplayer game of all time, Evolve, one of the healers had a jetpack and a grenade launcher that you could switch between using healing grenades (video games) or offensive grenades. Hovering over the carnage of your friends trapping a gorilla-Godzilla or a space Cthulhu while you AOE grenade heal their health was just immaculate fun.

    New contender for secret best multiplayer game of all time, Exoprimal, has two healer classes that work as different takes on this concept. They know what they are doing.

    Healing with a grenade : I will cure your wounds… with big explosions…

    Absolutely white knuckled through this Violence Island final. Spoilers for people that aren‘t in my time zone and didn’t immediately listen to the podcast:

    >!Quiet can teleport, turn invisible and is somewhat supernatural. She is infected with the stupid parasite Kojima came up with to explain the powers of the MGS3 bosses. Instead of having powers because their battlefield emotions were too strong, it is a parasite. This allows her to kind of dematerialise and become invisible and teleport dash around. She can also use this ability to heal. She can also be equipped with a normal sniper rifle, a tranquiliser sniper rifle and an anti materiel rifle. She is so good a sniper that she can use each eye independently to spot and aim at the same time. She can shoot grenades out of the air. She can shoot a bullet through moving helicopter rotors. She can also be equipped with clothes. HOWEVER, if she speaks English she will die as she is infected with the English strain of the vocal chord parasite. I really do need to make sure that @"Jaffe"#205 knows all this because if she gets knocked out of Violence Island without her full abilities being used, you will be reading a news report of a 38 year old man dying from an aneurism while listening to the Insert Credit podcast. Thank you.!<

    pains me to critique jaffe‘s hosting but I agree with Chopémon - there’s really no excuse for missing those details for a kojima character considering how a substantial proportion of MGSV is just over-explaining stuff

    whether any of us were ashamed of our “Words & Deeds” is another matter

    I wake up every morning like… what's it gonna be today? Words or deeds?? Will this shame never end???

    Yeah see this is the kind of context that I, as a non mgs player, should be told in advance!! Oh well, I thought it was just a naked lady with a gun.

    Glad to see Jeff is back. An episode with Jeff is how I discovered the podcast in the first place.

    @“Osu 16 Bit”#p109304 we didn't let him talk that much, I realize in retrospect

    I think Jaffe was trying to say Barrett would be a drummer in a Def Leppard(ugh) style. The Lynyrd Skynyrd (ugh) drummer had both arms.

    I want to be clear, the critique here is not of anyone on the podcast, the critique is of me and my 409 hours with MGS5. I took two weeks off work to do nothing but play MGS5 when it came out and then continued to play it off and on over the next 8 years so when I say I was white knuckled, it because of brain poisoning.

    I sometimes log in to MGS5 on my birthday to see the cutscene where Quiet wishes Big Boss happy birthday by shooting a message into wooden crates.

    >

    Are AI programs like ChatGPT good for video games? (50:44)

    One time I couldn't remember the name of an indie game from like 15 years ago (it was called Iji), and with a little prodding, I got ChatGPT to remember it for me. So, it was good for video games in that it helped me revisit a good one.

    Could I have asked a real person for this information? Probably! But they weren't on my computer screen at 11pm.

    @“KingTubb”#p109315 lol yeah he flubbed that one and I guess I missed it

    I few people I know have been using the image ai for making games, (mijourney?). The stuff they've done is pretty cool, one used it for card art in a triple triad like game, the other is using it for RPG sprites.

    Neither of them use the results raw, they either put them through multiple filters and clean them up, like matching all the sprites to palettes.

    They've both been making games independently for a while so it's not like they're taking work away from anyone, they're just speeding up their workflow.

    @“exodus”#p109339 Don‘t worry man, I decided to be the pushes up glasses “well actually” doofus on this occasion. I think it’s perfectly ok that Jaffe doesn't know all the ins-and-outs of two dad rock bands that have silly spellings. Commendable, really

    @“Chopemon”#p109287 I promise to incorporate these notes into the ToC

    @“KingTubb”#p109315 same band