Ep. 287 - Rated L, with Kat Bailey

@“Jaffe”#p116065 I‘m sure no one would mind a CRPG ranking episode. Though y’all don‘t talk about the older ones very often so maybe it’s not a strong suit for the panel.

Tim comes off a little feistier than he usually is in this episode and I appreciated it quite a bit. “… and then I will die, hopefully on a boat.” is absolutely a joke construction I'm going to rip off.

I just flipped through the top 100 list and my thoughts were "This isn't a very interesting list, especially for GQ who has like, a brand identity." Especially when I got to the entry for _Bioshock ♾️_ and rolled my eyes pretty hard. There's no opinion or angle or perspective or personality in that list. Lost opportunity.

I also was surprised how many of them I had played in some capacity. That's not bragable, it's just a thought.

@"beets"#p116113 I had the pleasure of meeting Kat at a Retronauts meetup years ago at the Portland Retro Gaming Expo, and in my opinion she's "pretty cool". I don't play very many RPGs, but I listen to her podcast because she and Nadia and Eric are so good at their jobs.

@“antillese”#p116143 definitely not a strong suit of mine. I‘ve played a few, I think, but largely when they get console ports, and I’m not sure I could differentiate between a crpg and your average western rpg in general. Is dragon age a crpg? Is it an extension of the crpg? Is dungeon siege III or is that an action rpg?

Alright everyone, I have done the work so you do not have to (do the work)!

Remember, you can use ```>!``` to make the expandable details drop-down. Put it in front of the first line, or add a new first line like I did:

I am batting 55%. Again, not bragable. It's just actually kind of fascinating to me how much of the "cannon" I have played (enough to feel like I have an opinion on) and how many games are just not represented (Diablo, Sonic, any Rouge-like).

Here's my list:

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Here's my list:


  • 100. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (2004)

    Nope (but I have it on steam because they gave it out at PAX one year)
  • 99. Rez (2001)
    Yup. Technically I've played this both on the 360 and on the PS4, not the Dreamcast, but I'm counting it.
  • 98. Age Of Empires II: The Age of Kings (1999)
    Nope
  • 97. The Return of the Obra Dinn (2018)
    Nope
  • 96. Super Mario Bros (1985)
    Yup
  • 95. Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss (1992)
    Nope
  • 94. Okami (2006)
    Yup. Launch day. 😎
  • 93. Fable II (2008)
    Nope
  • 92. Mass Effect (2007)
    Nope
  • 91. Grand Theft Auto IV (2008)
    Yup
  • 90. Super Mario Kart (1992)
    Yup
  • 89. Hitman: World of Assassination (2016 - 2021)
    Nope
  • 88. The Last Guardian (2016)
    Yup
  • 87. Super Mario Odyssey (2017)
    Yup, but only a very very little.
  • 86. Civilization V (2010)
    Nope. Not this one.
  • 85. Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (2013)
    Nope
  • 84. Shenmue (1999)
    Nope
  • 83. Bioshock Infinite (2013)
    Nope
  • 82. Dragon Age: Origins (2009)
    Nope
  • 81. Fortnite (2017)
    Yup
  • 80. Firewatch (2016)
    Nope. 😔
  • 79. Tetris Effect (2018)
    Nope. This is me being honest. But like, it's _Tetris_...
  • 78. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 (2000)
    Yup.
  • 77. The Secret of Monkey Island (1990)
    Yup.
  • 76. Pokémon Gold and Silver (1999)
    Yup
  • 75. Metroid Prime (2002)
    Yup (and the remaster)
  • 74. Undertale (2015)
    Yup
  • 73. Final Fantasy VI (1994)
    Yup
  • 72. Yakuza 0 (2015)
    Nope
  • 71. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007)
    Nope
  • 70. Left 4 Dead 2 (2009)
    Yup
  • 69. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (2000)
    Nope
  • 68. Thief: The Dark Project (1998)
    Nope
  • 67. The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker (2002)
    Yup
  • 66. Fallout New Vegas (2010)
    Nope
  • 65. GoldenEye 007 (1997)
    Yup
  • 64. Persona 5 (2016)
    Yup
  • 63. The Sims 2 (2004)
    Nope
  • 62. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (1997)
    Yup
  • 61. Grand Theft Auto III (2001)
    Yup
  • 60. Super Metroid (1994)
    Yup
  • 59. Fallout 3 (2008)
    Nope
  • 58. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (2006)
    Nope
  • 57. Final Fantasy IX (2000)
    Nope
  • 56. Inside (2016)
    Nope
  • 55. Hollow Knight (2016)
    Nope
  • 54. Ico (2001)
    Yup
  • 53. Dishonored 2 (2016)
    Nope
  • 52. Half-Life (1998)
    Yup
  • 51. Final Fantasy X (2001)
    Yup
  • 50. Spelunky (2008)
    Nope
  • 49. Stardew Valley (2016)
    Yup
  • 48. Grand Theft Auto V (2013)
    Nope
  • 47. God of War (2018)
    Yup
  • 46. Destiny (2014)
    Nope
  • 45. Halo 3 (2007)
    Yup
  • 44. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (2003)
    Nope
  • 43. Nier Automata (2017)
    Yup
  • 42. Chrono Trigger (1995)
    Yup
  • 41. The Sims (2000)
    Nope
  • 40. Super Mario Galaxy (2007)
    Yup
  • 39. What Remains of Edith Finch (2017)
    Nope
  • 38. Hades (2020)
    Yup
  • 37. Silent Hill 2 (2001)
    Nope
  • 36. Super Mario Bros 3 (1991)
    Yup
  • 35. Portal (2007)
    Yup
  • 34. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (2009)
    Nope
  • 33. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (2004)
    Yup
  • 32. Deus Ex (2000)
    Yup
  • 31. Shadow of the Colossus (2005)
    Yup
  • 30. Outer Wilds (2019)
    Nope
  • 29. Journey (2012)
    Yup
  • 28. The Last of Us Part II (2020)
    Nope
  • 27. Street Fighter II (1991)
    Yup, but c'mon. That's a super-turbo screenshot.
  • 26. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (1991)
    Yup
  • 25. Pokémon Red & Blue (1996)
    Yup
  • 24. Minecraft (2011)
    Yup
  • 23. Bioshock (2007)
    Nope
  • 22. World of Warcraft (2004)
    Yup
  • 21. Halo: Combat Evolved (2001)
    Yup
  • 20. Elden Ring (2022)
    Nope
  • 19. Doom (1993)
    Yup
  • 18. Super Mario 64 (1996)
    Yup
  • 17. Final Fantasy VII (1997)
    Yup
  • 16. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (2011)
    Nope
  • 15. Red Dead Redemption II (2018)
    Nope
  • 14. Super Mario World (1990)
    Yup
  • 13. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998)
    Yup
  • 12. Disco Elysium (2019)
    Nope
  • 11. Resident Evil 4 (2005)
    Nope
  • 10. Half-Life 2 (2004)
    Yup
  • 9. Dark Souls (2011)
    Yup
  • 8. Portal 2 (2011)
    Yup
  • 7. Metal Gear Solid (1998)
    Yup
  • 6. Mass Effect 2
    Nope
  • 5. The Witcher III: Wild Hunt (2015)
    Nope
  • 4. Bloodborne (2015)
    Yup
  • 3. Tetris (1985)
    Yup
  • 2. The Last of Us (2013)
    Nope
  • 1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017)
    Yup
  • Here's the empty list:

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    Empty list!


  • 100. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (2004)
  • 99. Rez (2001)
  • 98. Age Of Empires II: The Age of Kings (1999)
  • 97. The Return of the Obra Dinn (2018)
  • 96. Super Mario Bros (1985)
  • 95. Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss (1992)
  • 94. Okami (2006)
  • 93. Fable II (2008)
  • 92. Mass Effect (2007)
  • 91. Grand Theft Auto IV (2008)
  • 90. Super Mario Kart (1992)
  • 89. Hitman: World of Assassination (2016 - 2021)
  • 88. The Last Guardian (2016)
  • 87. Super Mario Odyssey (2017)
  • 86. Civilization V (2010)
  • 85. Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (2013)
  • 84. Shenmue (1999)
  • 83. Bioshock Infinite (2013)
  • 82. Dragon Age: Origins (2009)
  • 81. Fortnite (2017)
  • 80. Firewatch (2016)
  • 79. Tetris Effect (2018)
  • 78. Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 (2000)
  • 77. The Secret of Monkey Island (1990)
  • 76. Pokémon Gold and Silver (1999)
  • 75. Metroid Prime (2002)
  • 74. Undertale (2015)
  • 73. Final Fantasy VI (1994)
  • 72. Yakuza 0 (2015)
  • 71. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007)
  • 70. Left 4 Dead 2 (2009)
  • 69. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (2000)
  • 68. Thief: The Dark Project (1998)
  • 67. The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker (2002)
  • 66. Fallout New Vegas (2010)
  • 65. GoldenEye 007 (1997)
  • 64. Persona 5 (2016)
  • 63. The Sims 2 (2004)
  • 62. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (1997)
  • 61. Grand Theft Auto III (2001)
  • 60. Super Metroid (1994)
  • 59. Fallout 3 (2008)
  • 58. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (2006)
  • 57. Final Fantasy IX (2000)
  • 56. Inside (2016)
  • 55. Hollow Knight (2016)
  • 54. Ico (2001)
  • 53. Dishonored 2 (2016)
  • 52. Half-Life (1998)
  • 51. Final Fantasy X (2001)
  • 50. Spelunky (2008)
  • 49. Stardew Valley (2016)
  • 48. Grand Theft Auto V (2013)
  • 47. God of War (2018)
  • 46. Destiny (2014)
  • 45. Halo 3 (2007)
  • 44. The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (2003)
  • 43. Nier Automata (2017)
  • 42. Chrono Trigger (1995)
  • 41. The Sims (2000)
  • 40. Super Mario Galaxy (2007)
  • 39. What Remains of Edith Finch (2017)
  • 38. Hades (2020)
  • 37. Silent Hill 2 (2001)
  • 36. Super Mario Bros 3 (1991)
  • 35. Portal (2007)
  • 34. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (2009)
  • 33. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (2004)
  • 32. Deus Ex (2000)
  • 31. Shadow of the Colossus (2005)
  • 30. Outer Wilds (2019)
  • 29. Journey (2012)
  • 28. The Last of Us Part II (2020)
  • 27. Street Fighter II (1991)
  • 26. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (1991)
  • 25. Pokémon Red & Blue (1996)
  • 24. Minecraft (2011)
  • 23. Bioshock (2007)
  • 22. World of Warcraft (2004)
  • 21. Halo: Combat Evolved (2001)
  • 20. Elden Ring (2022)
  • 19. Doom (1993)
  • 18. Super Mario 64 (1996)
  • 17. Final Fantasy VII (1997)
  • 16. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (2011)
  • 15. Red Dead Redemption II (2018)
  • 14. Super Mario World (1990)
  • 13. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998)
  • 12. Disco Elysium (2019)
  • 11. Resident Evil 4 (2005)
  • 10. Half-Life 2 (2004)
  • 9. Dark Souls (2011)
  • 8. Portal 2 (2011)
  • 7. Metal Gear Solid (1998)
  • 6. Mass Effect 2
  • 5. The Witcher III: Wild Hunt (2015)
  • 4. Bloodborne (2015)
  • 3. Tetris (1985)
  • 2. The Last of Us (2013)
  • 1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017)
  • No, I'm not fixing the Markdown numbering. You can deal with that on your own.

    Here are my thoughts on the GQ list:

    “Nope” means I haven’t played it - “Yup” means I have played it.

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    Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (2004)

    Played a few hours but fell off without an intention of going back

    Rez (2001)

    A favorite of mine - wonderful in VR

    Age Of Empires II: The Age of Kings (1999)

    Nope

    The Return of the Obra Dinn (2018)

    Nope

    Super Mario Bros (1985)

    Of course

    Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss (1992)

    Nope

    Okami (2006)

    Nope, but I have a digital PS3 copy

    Fable II (2008)

    I don‘t think so

    Mass Effect (2007)

    Played a couple hours. Couldn’t get into it.

    Grand Theft Auto IV (2008)

    Played a few hours - the cars handle horribly

    Super Mario Kart (1992)

    Yes, but why is this on the list? Should be 64 or 8

    Hitman: World of Assassination (2016 - 2021)

    Nope

    The Last Guardian (2016)

    Nope

    Super Mario Odyssey (2017)

    Yup - much better than Mario 64

    Civilization V (2010)

    Nope - I have played Civ Rev and enjoy the concept

    Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (2013)

    Nope

    Shenmue (1999)

    Played a few hours but fell asleep on a forklift

    Bioshock Infinite (2013)

    Yes - this game is boring in both story and gameplay. Proves that “gamers” will cheer for any old slop

    Dragon Age: Origins (2009)

    Nope

    Fortnite (2017)

    Nope

    Firewatch (2016)

    Yup - been meaning to replay this one as its short and I enjoyed it the first time ‘round

    Tetris Effect (2018)

    Yup - but why isn’t this just “Tetris”?

    Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 (2000)

    Yup - the best in the series

    The Secret of Monkey Island (1990)

    Nope

    Pokémon Gold and Silver (1999)

    Nope

    Metroid Prime (2002)

    Yup - near the end a few times but have never finished it. Hoping to put the wraps on the remaster

    Undertale (2015)

    Played a few hours but couldn‘t get in the groove - need to return to this one

    Final Fantasy VI (1994)

    Nope

    Yakuza 0 (2015)

    Played a few hours recently with intentions to get back to it

    Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007)

    Yup - was worth playing at the time for the one scene

    Left 4 Dead 2 (2009)

    Yup - still hasn’t been topped

    The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask (2000)

    Nope - too ugly to look at (this applies to many N64 games)

    Thief: The Dark Project (1998)

    Nope

    The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker (2002)

    Played a few hours - meh

    Fallout New Vegas (2010)

    Yup - I‘ve run through this one numerous times. Might become a “once a year game” for me

    GoldenEye 007 (1997)

    Yup - doesn’t hold up and shouldn‘t be on this list

    Persona 5 (2016)

    Nope - I do have a PS4 copy

    The Sims 2 (2004)

    Nope

    Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (1997)

    Yup - all timer

    Grand Theft Auto III (2001)

    Yup - never played the story, just cop aggravation runs - its fine

    Super Metroid (1994)

    Yup - See SotN

    Fallout 3 (2008)

    Yup - this game sucks compared to New Vegas - shouldn’t be on the list

    The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (2006)

    Yup - find a game with uglier characters

    Final Fantasy IX (2000)

    Nope

    Inside (2016)

    Yup - neat ideas but too trial and error to be classic

    Hollow Knight (2016)

    Yup

    Ico (2001)

    Yup - need to play this again

    Dishonored 2 (2016)

    Nope - but have a copy

    Half-Life (1998)

    Yup - never finished it though

    Final Fantasy X (2001)

    Nope

    Spelunky (2008)

    Yup

    Stardew Valley (2016)

    Yup - hard to put down once you get into it

    Grand Theft Auto V (2013)

    Yup - I have played way too much of this game - fun to get stoned and play with pals

    God of War (2018)

    Yup - liked this one a lot more than I would have thought.

    Destiny (2014)

    Nope

    Halo 3 (2007)

    Yup - the best Halo and a blast to play the campaign co-op with a crew

    The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (2003)

    Yup - also ugly

    Nier Automata (2017)

    Yup - need to start fresh with this one though. Never made it too far and its been too long to remember what‘s up

    Chrono Trigger (1995)

    Yup - I don’t get the love for this one, oh well

    The Sims (2000)

    Yup - just enough to mess around

    Super Mario Galaxy (2007)

    Yup

    What Remains of Edith Finch (2017)

    Nope

    Hades (2020)

    Nope

    Silent Hill 2 (2001)

    Nope - I have the Xbox version

    Super Mario Bros 3 (1991)

    Yup - all timer

    Portal (2007)

    Yup

    Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (2009)

    Yup - but not a game for me. Don‘t jive with naughty dog

    Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (2004)

    Yup - but I bounce off this game every time I try to play it. Can’t gel with the conrols

    Deus Ex (2000)

    Nope

    Shadow of the Colossus (2005)

    Yup - see Ico

    Outer Wilds (2019)

    Yup

    Journey (2012)

    Yup - its fine

    The Last of Us Part II (2020)

    Nope - see Uncharted 2

    Street Fighter II (1991)

    Yup - does this mean World Warrior or SFII as a series? The opposite issue with Tetris Effect

    The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (1991)

    Yup - its fine

    Pokémon Red & Blue (1996)

    nope

    Minecraft (2011)

    Yup

    Bioshock (2007)

    Yup - great setting, not as clever as it thinks it is, limp combat - 5/10 but would reccomend

    World of Warcraft (2004)

    Nope - I ain‘t got time

    Halo: Combat Evolved (2001)

    Yup

    Elden Ring (2022)

    Yup - A game I love but will never finish

    Doom (1993)

    Yup - might be my favorite game

    Super Mario 64 (1996)

    Yup - revolutionary for the time but a stepping stone today

    Final Fantasy VII (1997)

    I’ve tried to get into this one, but never made it more than an hour or so

    The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (2011)

    Yup - boilerplate fantasy but addicting

    Red Dead Redemption II (2018)

    Yup - but mostly the online game

    Super Mario World (1990)

    Yup - the best Mario? Who can really say.

    The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998)

    Yes - boring and ugly. Not the best game of all time

    Disco Elysium (2019)

    Yup - need to play more of this

    Resident Evil 4 (2005)

    Yup - the Wii version is best

    Half-Life 2 (2004)

    Yup - all timer

    Dark Souls (2011)

    Yup - another game I love but will never finish

    Portal 2 (2011)

    Yup - if it isn‘t Doom, this is my favorite of all time. Certainly the funniest game

    Metal Gear Solid (1998)

    Yup - loved it when it was new, but find it hard to return to

    Mass Effect 2

    Nope

    The Witcher III: Wild Hunt (2015)

    Not really

    Bloodborne (2015)

    A bit but didn’t click with me

    Tetris (1985)

    Of course - here it is - why is this and tetris effect on the list? Maddening. Tetris effect should be replaced with Super Puzzle Fighter 2

    The Last of Us (2013)

    Yes - Hated it

    The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017)

    Yup - this is one of the 3 zelda games I enjoy (will TotK make it 4?)

    Do I hear Koudelka in the distance? Have you called me?

    Now, seriously: I‘d be glad to hear a podcast about that game in particular. Also, I’m going to check out Axe of the Blood God.

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    @“esper”#p115960 Why doesn’t a Sight & Sound-style poll work for video games? (12:22)

    This was a really good question which brought some serious answers. I think that the technology part of the videogame is a huge hurdle for some to consider games as culture in the same way other types of culture exist, and the fact that people check out on emulators makes it harder, as Kat said. I had some difficulties and I always wanted to try some games like BoF: Dragon Quarter. Maybe I will, now that I'm getting tired with some novelties. In any case, I'd say that the tech bit, the obsession of graphics and the heavy time investment makes this much more difficult, although it tires me to see soooo much boring prestige games into it. Also, I think the format bit has made me realize one thing: maybe what videogames need is a Bazin type of critic in videogames. That will come later, but atm things look grim and while some people are really interested in exploring rare and obscure games, other people won't care about videogame discourse and opinions unless it's... well, that kind of bizarre takes.

    >

    @“esper”#p115960 Azurelore Korrigan asks: What medium is best for adapting to video games? (38:29)

    I'd say ttrpg has a good recent example, which is Citizen Sleeper, but they did that in reverse: they began as a vg and then moved into tabletop. Also, I'd like to see a kind of a Blue Lock type of football RPG, and it's curious you're talking about the NBA2K patio and such, because I think the latest Street Fighter is going to have that as well.

    @“exodus”#p116150 good question for Felipe Pepe. What even is an RPG anymore? Sometimes when I hear people say CRPG I feel like they just mean “not a JRPG”. But then something like Etrian Odyssey has more old-school Wizardry DNA in it than most modern western RPGs; is that a CRPG? Or is it a JRPG because it‘s made in Japan and has an anime aesthetic? I guess it’s all “I know it when I see it” but that sort of sentiment just leads to gatekeeping.

    Okay, so maybe no CRPG ranking episode. But it'd be nice for Pepe to be on and possibly give you and the listeners some game recommendations.

    @“Jonks”#p116184 yeah, it‘d be fun to sort all that stuff out! For me I’d call etrian a “dungeon RPG,” which is a silly term in itself because it implies first person, but first person isn't in the format name we use. heck! (I suppose we could say first person dungeon RPG)

    I love how the running gag of “nice alex jaffe gets serially shut down by three cranky contrarians” was subverted in this episode. Tim interrupted the question about the best games list to complain about what he thought the question would be, and it turns out Alex Jaffe was already going to ask an interesting question!

    @“exodus”#p116186 I prefer “blobber” cause it‘s more fun to say but dungeon RPG is a little more specific.

    Like I personally wouldn’t consider the Might and Magic games dungeon RPGs because there are different towns to explore (not just town menus) and metroidvania (is there a better term for that?) traversal elements. But they're definitely blobbers.

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    @“deepspacefine”#p116188 nice alex jaffe gets serially shut down by three cranky contrarians

    the best instance if this was when jaffe was not aware that _Streets Of Rage 3_ = _Bare Knuckle 3_ and all three panelists yelled at him at the exact same moment

    ok i‘m home in bed recovering from surgery and bored and i’m gonna talk about the list to myself, join me if you want while i enter a fugue state

    >!

    so:


  • - Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (2004)

    i think i played this for like 2 hours when it came out? not a star wars fan, and BIG not a fan of the jerky start/stop pause/go of bioware games. is this like, a necessary game to have played, actually? i don‘t feel like it needs to be on this list but i’m a hater, so
  • - Rez (2001)
    rad game, i should finish it one day. don't think i've played past stage 3 in the like 20 years i've been poking at this one
  • - Age Of Empires II: The Age of Kings (1999)
    never played it
  • - The Return of the Obra Dinn (2018)
    been on my wishlist for ages, i know when i play this i'm gonna totally love it cuz i love a puzzley game that unspools itself like this one apparently does (see also tunic, which i have played to beyond 100% and LOVE). the main thing keeping me from it is that it's a first-person game, and i frequently get motion sickness from those. i also don't really have a pc to play games on and would be playing it on my ps5 and that seems like an awkward way to control it? idk, i'm bad at first person usually but that's on me
  • - Super Mario Bros (1985)
    duh
  • - Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss (1992)
    this is an interesting pick!!! it did some really cool stuff for the time, pretty advanced and unique first person 3d navigation for 1992, not just a graph paper dungeon crawl but actual environments with angles and levels and interesting places/things/people to find and interact with. might go back on replay this one day and see how it holds up! ultima underworld 2 i also really loved. honestly what all the ultima games were doing back then (except 8 and 9) were really cool and boundary pushing and have sadly kind of been forgotten in these modern times. ultima 7 was an open world game in 1991 that does some of that stuff way better than modern open world games do, i was blown away back then by being able to go to a field of wheat and harvest the wheat then take it to a mill to make flour then add water to the flour and put it in a fire to make bread and then go and eat it or sell it or put it on a plate next to cute lil pixel forks and knives, as a distraction from the ongoing murder mystery i'm trying to solve. that's not ultima underworld but still. those games need more respect nowadays!!!
  • - Okami (2006)
    seems cute? i think it's on my wishlist, maybe i'll get around to it
  • - Fable II (2008)
    dunno anything about the fable games and for some reason have zero inspiration to find out anything about them
  • - Mass Effect (2007)
    as mentioned above i kinda hate bioware games, and i kinda for sure hate sci fi shooter gun games, and mass effect looks like a game i would despise
  • - Grand Theft Auto IV (2008)
    i'll allow it, i only ever played gta 1 2 3 and vice city but sure, gta 4
  • - Super Mario Kart (1992)
    logical pick
  • - Hitman: World of Assassination (2016 - 2021)
    so much has been said about the hitman games and i should play em!!! i bet i'd like em even though i'm not that into Gun Games
  • - The Last Guardian (2016)
    first tried this out a few months ago -- got stuck very early on because i wasn't sure what i was meant to do or if i had the right idea but the controls were getting in my way or what. i have the same problems with ico and SotC -- on paper, absolutely wonderful little adventures, but in practice the game keeps tripping over itself to show me to cool things it can do. learn to tie your shoes or get some velcro first, bud! that said, i really do like ico/sotc and i should give last guardian another shot, maybe find a guide to have open. seems like this is here to represent the "big time games is art actually" thing that ico/sotc would always represent in this kind of list in years past, and while the previous two games were for sure influential, at least to designers and probably less like, reverberant to players, i dunno, does the last guardian push this mode of game even further or is it just representing something else?
  • - Super Mario Odyssey (2017)
    i never had a switch but i bet this is good
  • - Civilization V (2010)
    hell yeah, this is a game i always forget i have and then see it on my laptop and then go and lose a week's worth of free time on. seems like this is the modern-day agreed-upon pinnacle of the series
  • - Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn (2013)
    man. this game really is kind of incredible and overly generous. never really got into mmos much but because it has the whole big free part you can play, and i was depressed with a good chunk of free time, i went HARD on this game, and it's a real fun final fantasy theme park to run around in, and plays pretty miraculously well on console. i don't really have game pals and so was worried about having to link up with some online strangers and while that happened a little, it was pretty seamless and everyone is real nice on there, but it's such a minor part of the game if you want it to be. kind of more of a massively single player rpg with as much multiplayer bonus content as you wanna add to your experience. plus triple triad. i'd have kept going but i ended up getting a full-time job and there was no way i could juggle the two. i keep thinking about my lady on that server though, and i'd love to go thru and see what the rest of the game has in it, even though i've forgotten like 90% of the story and picking it up in the middle of the 3rd expansion or whatever would probably be much less impactful. nice to see it on the list as like, an mmo that normal people can play too
  • - Shenmue (1999)
    it's supposed on be on this list i guess, it did some unique things at the time, cool thought experiment of a game at this point but just play a yakuza instead.
  • - Bioshock Infinite (2013)
    never played a bioshock (i have an fps repulsion) and this one looks hella dumb
  • - Dragon Age: Origins (2009)
    too much bioware on this list!!! i played this for a while and had all the same issues with it as i mentioned above and ALSO they have all these queer relationships in it, but the whole gothy witch-ass woman is STRAIGHT??? you can't romancer her as a woman ?????? and then the one actualy queer woman i had in my party was this like, high femme lipstick lesbian caricature who talked about going shopping for shoes or something after a big battle and i got so fed up with this game's shit and dropped it. like, it really felt like a bunch of cishet men wrote these characters based on some middle-school fantasy they had and didn't consult an actual lesbian? plus the combat is annoying as hell
  • - Fortnite (2017)
    sure, it's doing some kind of revolutionary something. i don't care about games where the verb is Gun usually
  • - Firewatch (2016)
    i should maybe play this one? dunno much about it
  • - Tetris Effect (2018)
    man, i love tetris obviously, and this game is good, but i kind of feel like it's a little bit of kind of overblown as to how revolutionary it is? yeah it adds the like Zone Mode or whatever which is a cool twist on the formula, but i kept hearing about how synesthetic the experience is with the merging of visuals and sound and music and haptic feedback for a full sensory experience and like, they made a tetris that makes you FEEL things and like.... idk, it's tetris? with cool graphics? good game but like.... it's tetris.
  • - Tony Hawk’s Pro Skater 2 (2000)
    fun ass game, did something interesting and novel, fairly unique as far as ways to interact with points and environments. i'm not really a high score chasing player but this is one of my exceptions
  • - The Secret of Monkey Island (1990)
    hell yeah, i love this era of lucasarts games. this really is one of the best, i can't imagine i have much to add that hasn't been said countless times
  • - Pokémon Gold and Silver (1999)
    gotta have a pokemon on here i guess, i keep thinking i'm gonna like these games and i always burn out super hard like 8 to 10 hours in. i do see the appeal though, and for a type of player that isn't me it's a great series
  • - Metroid Prime (2002)
    i was one of the many people who was super not looking forward to this one at the time cuz like how dare they do a 3d on my metroids? but it didn't turn out to be like, another doom clone, and is less of a first person shooter and more of a first person explorer. i've only played it on gamecube, but the one-button aiming there did a LOT to make this game real fun. i almost feel like the modern updated control schemes would make this way less enjoyable for me? but yeah, great lil adventure, fun to roll around and scan plants and read about the fauna
  • - Undertale (2015)
    blhhh this game was pretty thoroughly spoiled for me before i played it so i feel real limp towards it. everyone was talking about it and how like it does some STUFF but i had the stuff ruined (ie don't kill anyone for good end, the first boss is a trick so actually don't kill her, final boss does save file thingies etc) and so the rest of the game was like, a decent enough fanmade-feeling game, albeit one with a lot of artistry and skill behind it. i just kinda went thru the motions to the end, and then was told "oho you missed a couple secrets, find them for the best ending" and i was just super didn't wanna play it again and dropped it. even though i guess replaying it is part of the whole experience on account of how it keeps track of previous playthroughs so that's cool but the game itself didn't inspire me to NG+ it. i also feel like i was just plain too old to get anything out of this one regardless, kinda having seen many of this game's references and tricks before, and also just like emotionally not connecting with it. i tend to bounce off stuff that has Wholesome Energy and while this isn't repugnant or anything, it just doesn't do it for me, in the way that like steven universe is way too twee for me. the hater in me wants to just straight up call this one overrated but like, i know it also did bring a lot of stuff to a more mainstream level that wasn't necessarily there before undertale so, some props for that i guess?
  • - Final Fantasy VI (1994)
    ff6 is The Best Final Fantasy but ff4 is the best final fantasy. never did finish this one actually, quit at the halfway point and i keep meaning to see what that world of ruin bit is like
  • - Yakuza 0 (2015)
    hell yeah, great game, great series, everyone here knows it
  • - Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (2007)
    see above re my hate of Gun Game. super do not care about this or what makes it different enough from any other Shoot The Man game that warrants its inclusion here. never played it, never will
  • - Left 4 Dead 2 (2009)
    never played this one either, once again i don't care about Gun Game, but also i don't care about multiplayer games, and i'm so beyond bored of zombies, like, they were in like every damn game and movie and tv show and whatever else around this time and gimme a break!!!
  • - The Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask (2000)
    never played this one, ocarina is super overrated and i have no love for the n64 aesthetic. i know majora's mask is like, Different, but there are many other zeldas i haven't played that i would play before i get into this one
  • - Thief: The Dark Project (1998)
    i know nothing about this
  • - The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker (2002)
    god i ate every morsel of meat on this game's bones in 2002 then i crakced it open and sucked the marrow right out. definitely far from perfect and maybe the rereleases do some stuff to work on its problems? super fun and chill game though. also anyone else remember how much hate the cel shaded style got when this came out? i still don't get why it got that reaction. i mean, i do, cuz of gamers and weak forms of western masculinity, but still, it's gorgeous, what were people thinking??
  • - Fallout New Vegas (2010)
    never played a fallout, they're so so super ugly and i can't imagine looking at one of these for 40 hours or whatever and enjoying it. i'm starting to think i generally dislike modern western computer rpgs?
  • - GoldenEye 007 (1997)
    congrats you went to college in the late 90s, now remove this game from the list. dumb choice
  • - Persona 5 (2016)
    solid enough rpg but too long and idk, is it recency bias putting it on the list? so far i've mostly been mind-vomiting my thoughts on the games as i see them, and i haven't really talked about wtf this list even is or why a game should be on it but like, is this really one of the all time greats? did it do something of note? i played the whole of the original non-royal version and i had a great time but it's also bloated. looks cool though. idk
  • - The Sims 2 (2004)
    never really played a sims except for the first one when it was the new thing and i had to make my sim empty the trash and clean up which living in my filthy young-adult depression pit of an apartment and the frission of realities i was straddling freaked me out and i never played a sims again
  • - Castlevania: Symphony of the Night (1997)
    great game obviously, also has more or less been outdone and polished by its sequels but SotN is something of a fulcrum in gaming history, so i'll allow it here as a representative for just like.... iga
  • - Grand Theft Auto III (2001)
    wait didn't we just do gta 4 why is this one here
  • - Super Metroid (1994)
    another one o them fulcrums. i never had an snes so played this way later in an emulator and even though i was expecting a fun time i was still pretty blown away by how much i enjoyed this one. did some cool lil bits of storytelling within the actual game and not just some cutsceney textboxes which i guess i wasn't expecting.
  • - Fallout 3 (2008)
    wait didn't we just do new vegas why is this one here
  • - The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (2006)
    i did for some reason play the crap out of morrowind back when it was new, despite its many many flaws. the writing and setting and like, lore were all super fascinating to dig into and there were a couple times i felt like i had found something i was very much not supposed to (even though obviously it was meant to be found). i can't image playing morrowind today, though. super rough game. anyway oblivion like removed all of the crazy building-sized mushrooms and insects and vanished underground rusted half-cyborg dwarves, and replaced it all with Fantasy Forest and Demon Zone and i played it for a while but the weird damage scaling leveling system made it super unenjoyable to play, on top of it being just a kind of limp setting
  • - Final Fantasy IX (2000)
    i never played this one, i hear it's good
  • - Inside (2016)
    wow, everything on this list is prettttty mainstream, huh? like, things don't need to be obscure to be good but it's saying something that Inside here strikes me as an indie outlier after all the previous entries. cool game though, was glad i went into it totally blind cuz i had a ton of fun in that final chapter. does the thing where story and gameplay merge in their own ways and is pretty good about showing and not telling. "It Kinda Makes You Think"
  • - Hollow Knight (2016)
    if you gotta get your Night Symphonies and Metroids Super on here cuz those are the halves of that one genre's name, you probably need a modern example on here too. this one adds dark souls in to the mix! this game is really fun though, and i got super absorbed by it when i played it. love the way the mapping system gives you juuuust enough to go forward but still makes those steps scary as hell. combat is just fiddly enough while still giving you the control you need to whip out some last-micosecond moves. i quit probably like 80% of the way through though, it's probably a little too hard for its own good. i keep thinking one day i'll try to see the ending but idk, i have so many other games i wanna play. i really do like this one tho
  • - Ico (2001)
    oh there you are ico, we were talking about you a couple dozen games ago, i was wondering when you'd show up! love what you did with the lighting in here.
  • - Dishonored 2 (2016)
    i honestly don't know what this is but i've heard the title before
  • - Half-Life (1998)
    once again, fps and me aren't a good mix. i played hl2 first and surprisingly found that one to be pretty fun!! i think hl2's use of like physics and vehicles etc made it feel more to me like a first-person mega man game, somehow, rather than another pew pew pew game. i tried going back to play hl1 afterword and i just couldn't do it, man. it's all like, ugly and claustrophobic and the balance falls too much on the shooting side of things for me to make any progress. i guess it did some things to revolutionize the fps but like, i don't think about care about revolutionizing the fps
  • - Final Fantasy X (2001)
    i kind love being a hater about this one, i think it's extremely overrated! i don't really like any of the characters and the combat was like... there, i guess? i don't really remember. blitzball was annoying and the puzzle catacomb things were tiresome but i do like the blue-sky okinawa vibes
  • - Spelunky (2008)
    this always shows up on these lists but it's much too difficult of a game for me to be able to personally pick apart why it's so beloved
  • - Stardew Valley (2016)
    might play this one day idk. the harvest moon formula is good one
  • - Grand Theft Auto V (2013)
    ok seriously just pick ONE
  • - God of War (2018)
    played the first like hour or so of this after coming home v drunk and i thought it was cool in that state. got up to the one like boss guy outside your house where you punch each other and you skid like a quarter mile or whatever? didn't touch it again after that one session though. maybe i'll check it out for real, the single-shot camera thing is a fun bonus. i kept putting this one off because of how comically masc it looks and i didn't care to be all veiny about it but i should give it a fair shot
  • - Destiny (2014)
    this is another fps right? don't care
  • - Halo 3 (2007)
    never played a halo, don't care
  • - The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (2003)
    oh i actually didn't expect this to show up on the list which is why i talked about it in my oblivion thing, but yeah, the gameplay is super rough but the world that's there is pretty cool. probably impossble to enjoy in 2023, even all modded out, but cute to have its inclusion here
  • - Nier Automata (2017)
    hell yeah, this is one of my favorites and an all-time great. you all know why at this point, i'm sure. A+
  • - Chrono Trigger (1995)
    this also is one of my favorites and an all-time great. you all know why at this point, i'm sure. A+
  • - The Sims (2000)
    didn't expect more than one sims on this list, are the games nominally different from each other? i always assumed they were like, iterative/graphical upgrades. feels like we could just pick one of em
  • - Super Mario Galaxy (2007)
    never had a wii, i hear this is good
  • - What Remains of Edith Finch (2017)
    never played this one, i always put it in the same place as firewatch for some reason? like, slightly bubblin' above the indie underground, walking simulator that is accessible to more than just deep gamers? i guess these and like, gone home kind of demark a point on the timeline where "indie" type games were starting to be seen as a viable type of gaming for a larger portion of players out there?
  • - Hades (2020)
    ok i do like this game, and i'm not like, hating on it, but i feel like it's maybe not one of the all time greats like everyone else seems to? i played it quite a bit and had a blast but i also kinda felt like i'd seen everything i needed to see from it before super too long and just like, faded on it. the moment-to-moment loop is great and the variety of ways to play makes it interesting but my interest in hopping from room to room and bopping dudes really waned. maybe some crazy new gameplay mode opens up that i didn't get to but i didn't feel like sticking it out that long. real fun while it lasted though!
  • - Silent Hill 2 (2001)
    this one really is that good. i had a minor silent hill (1-4) obsession back then. really curious to see what the remake is like.
  • - Super Mario Bros 3 (1991)
    absofuckinlutely, this game perfects its form, adds a lot of novelty to it to be extrapolated upon later, and is just super fun to this day to run around and just and do all the lil actions mario can do. mario world is probably also on this list and it's the same for that one too.
  • - Portal (2007)
    yeah! this and its sequel are great! i love a puzzle game anyway but like obviously portal is it own thing and keeps "showing is hand" in clever lil ways. none of the puzzles in either game are total brain busters, but still have just enough friction to feel good to get thru. really nicely tuned games.
  • - Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (2009)
    never played this one, never really played any of em except once i tried to play the first uncharted and it was all running around an indiana jones level in a jungle and it was fun to hop around or whatever and then i got to a spot where i had to shoot like literally a hundred dudes that would not stop coming and as i have mentioned i am pretty bad at gun stuff and so i didn't make it past that point. maybe this game is good, but i also think i don't like naught dog games -- my attempt at playing the last of us was EXTREMELY similar in that it was fun to poke around the world and then when it came time for literally the very first combat in the game i found it impossibly difficult and dropped it
  • - Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (2004)
    i've only played this one once! gobbled down those first 2 games though. i really liked mgs3 even though i kind of rushed through it a little bit cuz i wanted to see it all (and also get to mgs4 and play it the same way, to catch up on the games i'd missed). despite that i had a great time with it, and i should go back and really luxuriate in this one and let it breathe.
  • - Deus Ex (2000)
    one more of these like old fps games that i guess did something novel that i never cared to look into, i think?
  • - Shadow of the Colossus (2005)
    ayyy there we go, got all three of em. bingo
  • - Outer Wilds (2019)
    i never remember if this is the like whatever-looking sci fi rpg or the one that is the time loop puzzle game. there's outer worlds too, right? i haven't played either of them but from what i understand, the time loop puzzle one is EXTREMELY my shit and i keep not playing it because i know floating around in space in first person is gonna give me motion sickness and i'm afraid to play it and get pukey
  • - Journey (2012)
    oh yeah this was kind of a thing at one point? i did play it a while after its initial release and had a cute lil time of it but i think by not playing it when it was fresh i missed out on the like, novelty of the cooperative multiplayer aspect of it? very enjoyable though, i do love a game where the goal is to just chill out and check it out
  • - The Last of Us Part II (2020)
    bounced off part one pretty hard, i dunno if or when i'd play part 2. it honestly sounds miserable
  • - Street Fighter II (1991)
    i'm so bad at fighting games!! this is the one everyone knows and everyone thinks should go on one o these lists though. never got the hang of this one, the one move where you have to like move then cram a tight quarter circle loop into your action never made sense to me. the only fighting game that ever really clicked with me was soul caliber 2, cuz that's like, horizontal attack, vertical attack, block, move. i can dig that.
  • - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (1991)
    hellllll yeah this game rules, and i'm pretty sure it's not just nostalgia blinding me here but this is a for real solid game with a pleasantly full world to poke around and just enough friction in the combat and puzzles to make it constantly compelling. it's frickin zelda idk man. it's really rad
  • - Pokémon Red & Blue (1996)
    seems like gold/silver on this list has obviated the need for red/blue, right?
  • - Minecraft (2011)
    never played this game, but it sure did a whole big thing, huh?
  • - Bioshock (2007)
    still don't care about fps
  • - World of Warcraft (2004)
    i'm kinda bummed i missed out on playing this when it was THE mmo but ff14 seems like it's taken everything good from wow and learned a lot of lessons and made the game i actually want to play, but yeah this is one of those hall of fame games i suppose
  • - Halo: Combat Evolved (2001)
    still don't care about fps
  • - Elden Ring (2022)
    god i was SO PSYCHED for this and when i finally got it i played the CRAP out of it but i have unfortunately kind of fizzled out, i have a save file in the like, magic academy in the swamp that i have yet to pick back up which i think isn't even that far into the game even though i already have like 50 hours racked up? once i beat the game i'm playing now (like a dragon ishin) i'll jump back in and see what's up. i dunno. there's so so so much i love about this game but it's probably TOO big. this might be one of those games i just always have around and pick at for a while until 5 years from now i beat it or whatever, though. i first started playing it like i was gonna obliterate a month of my life and plow thru it nonstop and i'm glad that didn't work out haha
  • - Doom (1993)
    i mean, yeah, obviously
  • - Super Mario 64 (1996)
    not my favorite mario at all but kind of did all the then-new 3d stuff correctly for the first time. playing any n64 game now is rough for me
  • - Final Fantasy VII (1997)
    for sure, we all know why it's here
  • - The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim (2011)
    ok man i dunno we don't need all of these old ass scrolls here right?? morrowind is the best of the three options but only as a historical artifact, oblivion just isn't that good and skyrim is like, the popular one? idk i wouldn't put any of these games in my top 100 games
  • - Red Dead Redemption II (2018)
    never played it, supposed to be good
  • - Super Mario World (1990)
    there it is
  • - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (1998)
    overrated as hell and i'm not just saying that cuz it's the podcast opinion on it too, it's just not necessary. always been an ocarina hater. bye
  • - Disco Elysium (2019)
    really cool choose your own adventure of a game!! i like how much it felt like the choices i made weren't just like, option 1 2 3 but actually felt like i was chasing a narrative thread that was meant to be tugged at, and not me wandering around a main storyline and veering off into some strange interlude for no reason. didn't know that death/game over screens were a thing until like 34 hours in tho and i lost a big chunk of progress cuz there was no sign that was every gonna happen, and then i upgraded my ps4 to a ps5 but i couldn't move my old ps4 save over and so i just kinda dropped it two thirds of the way through.
  • - Resident Evil 4 (2005)
    probably should play this one day
  • - Half-Life 2 (2004)
    ahh yeah i mentioned this above but it's one of the very few fps games i enjoyed. there was really one one part of the game that i found severely difficult and it was focused on like putting turrets in place while shooting a bunch of guys that come in and once again i am terrible at gun stuff so that was a huge roadblock until i got past it. never played any of the lil sequel mini chapter things tho, come to think of it
  • - Dark Souls (2011)
    obviously. it's great. wish the remaster kept the bloomy-ass lighting of the original version though, something of the atmosphere has been lost in the new version that is hard to get back without a ps3 or like, having the old "prepare to die" edition on steam which isn't supported anymore
  • - Portal 2 (2011)
    hell yeah, it's portal, but two! good one
  • - Metal Gear Solid (1998)
    another big duh yes
  • - Mass Effect 2
    ew no i will never play this
  • - The Witcher III: Wild Hunt (2015)
    keep thinking about what it would be like if i played this but i never have the inspiration to
  • - Bloodborne (2015)
    true. like most fromsoft games i haven't beaten this but i played the crap out of it when i was playing it
  • - Tetris (1985)
    why is this and tetris effect on here, they're like..... the same
  • - The Last of Us (2013)
    ahhh ok right this goes on this list too, i talked about how i bounced off of this and i think i don't like naughty dog
  • - The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (2017))
    one day i should get a switch, i bet this is a good game
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    @“phylaxis”#p116196 May you recover well and may all of us enter fugue states that are as productive as yours.

    @“tomjonjon”#p116169 Brutal!! Thumbs down on Final Fantasy VI, Majora's Mask, and Silent Hill 2? Those seem as no-brainerly as Super Metroid and Chrono Trigger to me. Bold assertions

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    @“deepspacefine”#p116188 and it turns out Alex Jaffe was already going to ask an interesting question!

    Here’s a behind the scenes fact for you: I had several versions of that question ready, anticipating a potential negative reaction based on my preamble, at varying levels of sincerity. (“Did they do a good job?” “How would you have done this differently?”) Tim’s immediate reaction to the premise showed me which way to go.

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    @“yeso”#p116190 the best instance if this was when jaffe was not aware that Streets Of Rage 3 = Bare Knuckle 3 and all three panelists yelled at him at the exact same moment

    Mortified to this day

    @“Jaffe”#p116205 I don't remember this happening but I certainly believe our reaction ha ha

    @“Jaffe”#p116204 how often is that the approach? You're making me want Insert Credit from alternate dimensions/timelines.

    @“Funbil”#p116200 I should clarify, “Nope” just means I haven’t played those games! So I have zero thoughts on silent hill 2, and Final Fantasy (and seemingly square rpgs as a whole) is just not for me. As far as Majoras mask, I’m pretty cold on Zelda as a whole outside of the switch games, links awakening and Link between worlds.