Noby Noby Boy was mentioned, I’m satisfied.
@“exodus”#p146591 yeah the tutorial does a good job of easing you in and I love how the story/arcade modes challenge you to make use of the mechanics for extra points and bonus meter which also doubles as a way to unlock characters!!
That's the spirit!! It helps that the top tiers are fun to play and play against but it's so much fun to just pick anyone and have a blast. I've been enjoying Elizabeth, Terry, Yuri and Ash, they are very fun to play! You got any favourite fighters in this one?
Tim is correct, GOD HAND is the best game with a Metacritic score less than 80, and including it on the list would obviously necessitate putting it on the top
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Good episode because GOD HAND was mentioned
@“robinhoodie”#p146632 I've got plenty of copies if you want one!
@"nolimitsquesting"#p146657 oh yeah, I meant to mention that too! As for who I like to play, I'm pretty boring with kof. I like Andy, Benimaru, and Joe!
But I also like trying Hwa Jai, Kensou is cool in this one, and I always try king but for some reason I had a harder time with her here.
I think KOFXIII was fairly well-appreciated in its day but SNK‘s typically awful netcode put a ceiling on how popular it could become—no version of the game was even remotely playable online before the rollback-equipped version that came out on consoles just a few weeks ago. It also had an uphill battle on a casual level, given that a) KOFXII burned a lot of people, and also meant the publisher didn’t ship a ton of copies in the beginning, and b) certain DLC characters were extremely strong and gave the game a bad rep.
The finals of the first KOFXIII Evo showing were among the best that tournament's ever seen, IMO. It also got a ton of entrants, but mostly because Atlus gave away free Mai shirts to everyone who signed up.
@“gsk”#p146673 I recall it being maligned by/as an extension of xii, but part of that was the critical reception, which as we discussed is kind of pointless for a fighting game. It certainly felt underappreciated vs it's visual style and how well it teaches you its systems.
People generally liked that it was high-res 2D but didn‘t necessarily like the actual aesthetic, where all the dudes were roided out and the female characters leaning more moeblob. There’s certainly been a bubbling undercurrent of people talking up XIII over the years and I hope they come out to play if and when the PC version gets updated.
I don't remember having any particular opinion about it being easy or difficult to come to grips with at the time, but I know that newer players bounced off it, and continue to bounce off the newer games, due to SNK not doing a ton to modernise their input detection and so on—they've ditched the pretzels but there aren't nearly as many input shortcuts as you'd expect even a decade ago. KOFXIII also has a reputation for having completely unreasonable combo trials, but that might've actually helped it in the long run, as they make for easy youtube fodder.
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@“gsk”#p146544 N64: >!Fighters Destiny 2!< (54)
What the Heck!? I thought the series was beloved by the N64 crowd and looking at the first game’s Metacritic score, it was indeed well considered. I would have expected the US gaming media, which cared much more about the N64 than the rest of the world, to overhype the sequel rather than to dump on it. I guess the releases of Soul Calibur, UFC, DOA2 and Tekken Tag Tournament really outdated that breed of 3D game in the meantime.
@“exodus”#p146663 Nothing boring about those picks at all!! Andy is particularly fun to play in this version and Joe has a lot of amazing combo potential. Benimaru is fun to play in every KOF too. Kensou is so awesome with his movement options and neutral skips. I actually always find King quite difficult to play outside of her basic game plan, her cancels aren‘t so intuitive in this one but I’m certain there is a lot of combo potential. I haven‘t had much experience with Hwa Jai yet but I know he’s a very technical character.
@gsk There's still some pretty interesting shortcuts in this game, like you can cancel Yuri's DP into Haou Shoukouken by doing DP into 46P and I feel there is a very generous buffer for charge characters (I'm not sure if this was always the case because this is my first time really using charge characters outside of XV). The button hold trick doesn't give you too many extra frames though which is a shame and there are a lot of weird links (I blame street fighter 4).
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@“exodus”#p146663 I’m pretty boring with kof. I like Andy, Benimaru, and Joe!
SNK has released cool [combo videos ](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpHVHGwF8uJeBS9iJudsaoasu-O8LNdjJ)for all characters as part of the promotion for XIIIGM.
https://youtu.be/V4IdV9QkdhI
https://youtu.be/5cucDbbo6m8
https://youtu.be/-p9Zb_8p4Fc
@“◉◉maru”#p146684 IIRC the consensus (which I‘m basing on the pull quotes; I think every single linked review 404’d) was that it was basically just a lesser version of the first game, released way too late in the system's life for them to want to be particularly kind to it… and, in all fairness, it pretty much is just a reskin of the first game by some b-team.
I should also add that Metacritic's N64 catalogue is only a few pages deep.
I don’t know if I’ll ever stop thinking Ah pay E ska pay!
Yeah, joining the people who are talking about KOFXIII by saying it's pretty cool that even one of these games got a new release in 2023 (you will not find me online, I am not good). I also bought Lost Odyssey and Ridge Racer 6 this year, so it almost felt like a mainstream game of the year list where I say to myself, “hey I bought three of those games this year” (except this time, I actually care about and have played or want to play the rest of them).
Just ate up this episode with a spoon. It made me want to play so many games. Internally fist-pumping the whole time.
@“exodus”#p146663 ha ha! I have it for Vita. Might follow up on the PS4 version. This is me saying I would have got it again for Switch Physical for sure. I loved the Vita but the Switch kinda completely overwrote that role for a portable in my head.
@“robinhoodie”#p146712 oh yeah, I get it. Shame nobody wants to make a physical switch release of Gunhouse!!!
The chulip conversation, what Tim says about animal crossing, is exactly what I’ve been saying for many years and it’s the first time I’ve heard someone else say it!
I haven’t made a geneology graph like Jaffe said, but [this thread](https://forums.insertcredit.com/d/673-mother-like-games-with-twin-peaks-sprinkled-on-top/101) is in a way what my life’s video game and media theories have amounted to
Chulip is one of my favorite games and I find the frustrating difficulty to be relatable to problem solving in real life as a poor person
Btw this episode rules, go ribbit king go _!!_
The stuff said about Katamari in juxtaposition to Ribbit King is just so affirming to hear hahah… I would even say it about Cubivore… which the perception of Minecraft kind of ruined in this age.
The part of Shanghai you're talking about at the beginning of the podcast sounds like Lujiazui, which faces the Bund, but is separated from it by the Huangpu river. The Bund is mostly 20s and 30s architecture, not the 90s CG of Lujiazui.
I feel like the Lujiazui skyline is much more separated from the rest of the city than most cities' fancy skyscraper areas are. I went there once when I first came to Shanghai, but in the year since then there's never been a reason to go near it again. The peripherary of the Bund on the otherhand very quickly becomes a normal city, and the Suzhou river on the north of it is a much weaker barrier, with pedestrian bridges at every road. To get across the Huangpu to Lujiazui (and the rest of Pudong) you have to take the subway.
If anyone is interested in Shanghai, the show [Blossoms Shanghai](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blossoms_Shanghai) (繁华), directed by Wong Kar-wai, just started airing last week. I know nothing about it other than that it takes place in 90s Shanghai along Huanghe road, which is near the actual Bund. A lot of people seem to like it, though there's also a lot of people who say [it's directed by Wong Kar-wai in name only](https://twitter.com/Futurhythm/status/1740185683489427888) and that he wasn't actually involved much. I'll probably try to watch the first few episodes soon.
I think it should be noted that one can purchase a new copy of Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter for 25 USD on amazon.com right now. (Canadians: it's on amazon.ca as well)