Dragon Quest thread

Potential spoliers ahead for DQXI:

I'm currently about 38hrs into DQXI and have just ||confronted Jasper in Heliodor and am making my way back to The Last Bastion.||

Have to say that after adoring the first act, I've been struggling to get momentum at this point of the game. || The character split, whilst pretty solid from a storytelling perspective, is feeling like a bit of a drag gameplay wise and I feel extremly overlevelled as there hasn't been a challenging fight in a very long while.||

My question is, for those who've played the game - am I very far from it picking back up again in fun? Will I ||ever see my buds again?|| My prediction is that when I make it back to the ||last bastion, members of the party will be there and it'll be a reunion scene|| but I could be way off...

@“therealdadsy”#p40737

Alright I‘ll answer entirely in spoilahs

||I kind of had the opposite feel at first, the game seemed too sweet and "I’ve done this before“ in the first act, second act is when I got really immersed. From the start, I was pretty pissed off that I felt I had to ”avoid battles" or else the game would be too easy. I would fight each enemy I saw at least once. But I play real rpgs and had just finished a whole bunch of them in 2020, and I get enjoyment from battling when I feel like battling!! Which is often on a whim! I don‘t always want to progress the story, and DQ 11 progresses the story and gives you cutscenes around every turn. In act 2 the difficulty did ramp up a bit thankfully, or I’d stopped overleveling, and I‘d gotten used to the pace of the game, which is very much like the pace of watching an anime series. If you’re overleveled, you can run straight to the next boss, and the one after that, and surely it will catch up to you. Just enjoy the show! and yeah, don‘t worry, the game is extremely nice and considerate of the player. Act 2 is all about finding your buds again, and it’s very fun. By act 3 you‘ll have access to all the content of the game at once, nothing is missable. Go to Last Bastion. You’re gonna be disappointed cause you don‘t get all your homies at once. But the tradeoff is you’re gonna get some very powerful solo stories for every character. That was probably my favorite part of the game. Also if you‘re playing S Definitive version, then there’s even more solo story aspects. Controlling just Sylvando on the overworld is awesome. I wish you could choose your party leader like you could in DQ8.||

I bought a Japanese PlayStation 2 this morning and a copy of Dragon Quest VIII to go with it. I deeply regret selling my original copy, and I got a pretty good deal for everything.

So that's happening.

@“therealdadsy”#p40737 as @“treefroggy”#449 already said, it is essential that you ||experience the part with Sylvando! ||

@“treefroggy”#p40747 @“Gaagaagiins”#429 Ok. I’m up for it.

||Also a pleasant surprise that Hendrik joined the party!!||

@“therealdadsy”#p40777 yep you basically lost steam at the best part of the game IMHO which is fine hahahah.

That jingle when you unite with a party member is one of my favorite parts of Dragon Quest / Mother series

I think it's a bit dry at the beginning of that whole sequence but at least by that part it is really starting to pick up.

Yeah just got to the ||Pai Lang / Void part and got my arse kicked haha. || it’s picked back up again. I’ve deducted that I think like any JRPG I need to put a solid hour session into it after I’ve put it down for a while in order to get back in its rhythm. Maybe it took me a little bit longer with dragon quest because like @“treefroggy”#449 I also enjoy the grindy combat of games like Final Fantasy and the lack of that here in this section detracted from that.

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The discussion about the PS2 version of DQVIII being superior to the 3DS version has intrigued me, and so now I have to ask about DQVII.

PS1 or 3DS? What's the better version?

On the topic of version differences… Help! After much deliberation (too much deliberation…) I‘ve decided Dragon Quest V is the next game I’m going to sink my teeth into, but am stuck in decision paralysis between the SNES or DS version. What to do!

From how I understand it, DS is basically a faithful 1:1 remake with few creative liberties taken, save for some quality of life features and graphical overhauls that everyone basically agrees are a straight net-positive. HOWEVER. I'm one of those types who prefers, for example, SNES Chrono Trigger over the DS version. That game was designed with a single screen in mind, so stretching a single screen's worth of information across two, and adding more bits and bobs that weren't originally there just to utilize more space, just really is not for me. Part of me wonders if Dragon Quest V also does this, and I just haven't heard about it from anyone who feels this same way as I do about that kind of thing. Also worth considering is that fan translation - people also seem to prefer that over the official one, and I'm not sure if that's been brought to the DS version. I'm also the type to prefer a well-written game over a good-looking one (though if a game can be both, of course I'll take that!).

I've been hesitant to do too much research on this because I also always see people being very protective over spoilers for this game in particular - I'm afraid if I look at anything too closely I'll have some part of the experience lessened for me. So, I put my trust in your hands, Insert Credit Forum Users Who Know More About Dragon Quest Than I Do... Show me thy guiding light!!

Recently underwent the same dilemma as funbil. Anyone have an opinion or know anyone with an opinion on the French version of DQVDS? @“chazumaru”#146 ?

Sorry, I am not the hippest on fan translations and patches so this might remain a Japanese exclusive experience but the general sentiment is that the PS2 remake of Dragon Quest V is the best version of the game, closely followed by the NDS version. (The iOS port is based on the NDS version so anything below applies to the iOS version equally.)

The NDS version is a strange animal because it is not based on the pre-existing PS2 remake. Rather, it re-uses the engine of DQ4 NDS, which itself seemed to be adapting the engine of DQ4 PS1 (which used the same engine as DQ7 PS1).

As a result, the NDS version of DQ5 has less animations (cutscenes, enemies etc.) and less unique graphics (NPC models, building models) than the PS2 version, since it re-uses many assets from DQ4 NDS. I like the DS soundtrack (once again using the same virtual instruments as DQ4) but most people will also lament that the PS2’s orchestrated soundtrack is missing from the DS version.

On the other hand, the NDS version changes many more things than the PS2 version. I don’t think it’s accurate to describe it as 1:1 faithful remake, for instance. There is one new [size=11]{small in-game feature spoiler}[/size] ||possible heroine to marry (although her plotline is really tacked on)||, Boss battles have been rebalanced, battles are faster, menus/UI has been improved, one notoriously frustrating dungeon has been slightly redesigned etc. And obviously, it’s on a handheld.

So it kinda depends whether presentation or comfort matters more to you. Personally, I like the DS version more but I am pretty sure I am in the minority. Furthermore, I am also among the minority of people who prefer DQ4 and DQ6 to DQ5 so the homogeneous graphics for all three NDS remakes never were a problem for me. My hardcore DQ-loving friends swear by DQ5 above all and they were definitely a bit disappointed by the DS version.

I don’t know of anyone who would advise playing the SFC version but I am sure such purists exist. I honestly can’t see why you would prefer that version unless you have played it back then and have personal memories attached to that version. The graphics and UI of the game were already thought of as archaic by ^1995~1996.

I don’t think it’s comparable with Chrono Trigger since that game looked fantastic from the get-go and kept exporting the same Super Famicom assets to each platform (SFC → PS1 → DS → Steam), resolution and interface be damned. All three versions of DQ5 have a pretty distinct look. I also think the changes of DQ5 DS are more pertinent (or at worst completely inoffensive like the potential spoiler above) compared to the superfluous additions of Chrono Trigger’s re-releases.

@"captain"#p41599 I happen to know the people in charge of translating DQ5 in French (that’s how I found out about the remakes’ existence haha). Honestly can’t remember any problem with the French translation, although ① we were so happy to have the game officially released in French that we would have been lenient with the translation quality anyway, and ② standards may have been raised since then? But SQEX has been generally been pretty strong with EFIGS translations since the mid-2000s. Pretty much since FF12, they have taken the job very seriously.

Regarding the translation of the NDS remake trilogy, the huge complain about DQ4’s translation was not the quality of the script but the decision to remove the party chat feature (in all non-Japanese languages). Following the backlash, they did keep and translate party chat for DQ5 and DQ6.

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@“chazumaru”#p41627 happen to know the people in charge of translating DQ5 in French

WOW! That's extremely cool. That reminds me of something else I wondered: do you happen to know of any case (in just this particular group's experience, of course) where the English translation of a Japanese game was consulted or even used as a basis for the French translation? I played Final Fantasy VI Advance in French last year and wound up comparing a lot of the French and English scripts: my impression could have been wrong (or I could even be misremembering) but sometimes it seemed to me the way sentences were constructed or the way some idiom was used at least suggested the possibility that the FR team had looked at the EN script while doing their work. (Not that this has anything to do with DQV.)

@“chazumaru”#p41627 The PS2 DQ5 does indeed have a fan translation so it’s possible to play each version of it in English. FWIW I played the iOS/DS version and thought it was quite good, and am looking forward to trying the PS2 version eventually.

And now that party chat has been patched back into DQ4 DS via the mobile version I really want to finally play that as well.

Dragon Quest V is my favorite RPG.

I played the SFC version. The SFC version is good.

It has almost a cross between an FC and SFC aesthetic. Sprites are small, but there are lots of colors.

I'd say go with the SFC version.

https://youtu.be/2AibH_1_Mp8

Lmao

I‘m fully expecting my Twitter feed to be full of arguments about whether it’s OK to be happy that he's dead and/or the phrase “separate the art from the artist”.

He maxed out at Lvl 90. Not up to his usual standard.