@treefroggy dang i guess we got a lot of vegans here
My experience is that a lot of vegans never mention it socially because sometimes non-vegans lose their mind just at the idea that someone somewhere doesn't eat meat. I spent like 12 hours getting tattooed last year and I only found out in like hour 11 that they're also vegan, and only then because they made a small offhand comment.
@Karasu yeah that‘s why I’m so defensive…. learned the hard way many times people can feel very threatened. or they try to hold me to their standard of what it means…. like I take a sip of mountain dew and they start screaming “hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite” sheeesh
This thread made me go look a bit into milk and egg production, and even if the collection of both of those things could be done without harm the process of creating an adequate supply involves the slaughter of all males of both chickens and cows. I guess I never really thought about how that would basically have to be true to be economical.
I'll note that in 2016 a major egg producer touted that they'd no longer cull male chicks by 2020, and they sure the heck did not accomplish that claim. Which is a bummer!
@treefroggy grocery outlet rules but for some reason where I live everyone calls it “Gross Out.” It's a fantastic spot to dive, too.
@saddleblasters instant noodles
Nongshim Shin Ramyun are great, and can be used as a base for a doing many things with other than just making the noodles/soup as per regular packet directions.
They come with a disclaimer that they are processed in a facility that also processes egg and milk, so I suppose there is the possibility of cross-contamination.
Noodles
Wheat flour, starches (potato, wheat), vegetable oil (contains antioxidant (307B)), salt, mineral salts (501, 500, 452, 339), emulsifier (322, (soy)), soy sauce, green tea extract.
Soup powder
Hydrolyzed vegetable protein (soy, corn), salt, maltodextrin, yeast extract, soy sauce, spices, sugar, fructose, sweetener (420), flavour enhancers (627, 621, 631), soybean, wheat flour, vegetable oils (contains soy), thickener (414), corn flour, glucose, vegetables, emulsifier (322, soy).
Flakes
Dried vegetables, soybean, soy sauce, wheat gluten, yeast extract, sugar, salt, cocoa, corn starch, vegetable oil (soy).
@RubySunrise we call Whole Foods Food hole
dang they's a lot of vegans here. what next y'all are going to rainbow gathering
I feel uncomfortable identifying as vegetarian or vegan mostly because of gatekeeping I see. I really dont need another ID category to claim only for people/society/whatever to deny. Ive not seen that at all here which is cool.
I was a strict vegetarian for years, starting as a teen, then a vegan for a little while. I'm way less strict now in the sense of rules and definitions, but I'd say my personal moral reasoning behind how i eat is stronger now than ever.
I've also noticed it's significantly cheaper to eat mostly veggies and fruits and legumes, and that's only gotten more true as I've watched the price of meat skyrocket.
@RubySunrise yeah, my hesitation comes from there too. even though I have been sprouting since day 1 and am pretty hardcore in general, I don‘t need a label to feel good about myself, it’s just life choices haha.
@RubySunrise and that’s only gotten more true as I’ve watched the price of meat skyrocket.
this. I feel great about myself because practically everything that experience inflation is stuff that I totally abstain from that society has some stubborn dependence to. at least with food mainly. If there's ever a lentils, rice, or cabbage shortage, uh, then I may be in trouble, but I could just grow it myself too. @_ @ (cabbage and lentils, at least...)
In fact a side effect of eating sprouts for every meal for 15 years is that in the incident that I throw out some sprouts when cleaning a bowl, wherever they end up falling becomes a lentil plant.
I've had them grow up out of my sink drain, in the backyard out the window, and beside my van. good stuff.
Goofy stuff from your life? my whole life is goofy stuff…. I grew lentil sprouts in this giant margarita glass
curry every. day.
vegan lasagna! with wheat growing outside because that's where I threw some sprouted wheat berries!
sometimes I make vegan bukake udon! the broth is just soy sauce, mirin, kombu, shitake, sake or beer!
this pics are from when I last lived in a house! haha
I am trying to make better choices everyday and the thread is handy! I am also looking for good vegetarian noodles and happy to hear mi goreng might fit the bill.
@treefroggy Lol you know we had those liquid aminos in the fridge at all times! and technically I grew up with “tamari” rather than “soy sauce.”
@RubySunrise my mom first called it “gross out” because she heard a friend say it. Then she forgot about it apparently because when she mentioned grocery outlet like 3 years later I said “oh you mean the gross out?” and she was like “well that's not very nice.”
Also if any of y'all are in the bay area you should go to Layonna market on the edge of oakland chinatown, they got all the fake chinese and taiwanese meats over there. It's good stuff.
If any of y‘all are headed up the 101 out of the bay stop by the only Amy’s™ resturaunt
go up to the russian river for a day of fun
then eat at amy's on your way home
whoa, I didn‘t know about this, I should take a trip. I could also get some hot sours at the russian river brewery while I’m at it. Last time I was on the russian river I was in a kayak with kris piotrowski of Capy Games and an hour in who do we see literally toobin but World of Goo/2D Boy's Ron Carmel. The world is goofily small sometimes.
I've decided to take July as a sort of trial run of a Vegan* diet, and damn this is kinda hard huh! We use milk or eggs in so many goddarn things that I never thought about. I went to a Dutch Market on the weekend and the only prepared food in the whole place with neither milk nor meat nor eggs in it was shrimp!
If nothing else, this is a useful exercise in learning about where animal products get used in food.
*Vegan here making room for a small number of non-vegan things, mainly honey and some seafood
@TheFragranceOfDarkCoffee I wish you the best with your trial run! It’s eye opening to see just how many packaged products (in North America at least) incorporate milk, cheese, and eggs for no obvious reason other than (I suspect) those things are all cheap, heavily government subsidized, and will inject inexpensive flavour and calories into things.
@Karasu it‘s kind of like how in japan it’s a struggle to find a snack that‘s even vegetarian. you’ll go the “plain” potato chips and there's chicken powder in it. Or a cheese snack, but guess what: shrimp. they will just put a ground up animal in there for flavor.
honey is only considered non-vegan by certain people. bee pollen is a major ancient hippie health food staple
dont‘ feel pressured to “go vegan” like a 100% thing. it’s ok to go unvegan for a meal and still say you're trying vegan…… just dont tell anyone because some people will freak out
@exodus I was impressed to see packaged foods in Japan acknowledge various fish allergies though, something North American packaging doesn’t even consider doing! It’s helpful at convenience stores to try and catch stealth fish ingredients I don’t know the kanji for.
@Karasu once the macrobiotic thing became a diet fad in japan they started to get some okay fake meats too. at the local grocery store in kyoto I was able to find “tofu meat.” couldn't find black beans, nutritional yeast, or most of my other staples to save my life, but I got that stuff!
what y’all are all saying is correct,
But despite also being obsessed with meat, overall Japan is way more vegetarian friendly than US. It’s true their snacks have different additives than could catch a US American off guard. Reading ingredients is definitely the smart thing to do before buying anything. I always do it, most people never do it, and I’m also the type to read an entire resturaunt menu before ordering to make sure I’m getting exactly what I need.
