Ep. 188 - Mariountain Dew, with John Linneman

### Ep. 188 - Mariountain Dew, with John Linneman

Digital Foundry and Eurogamer’s [John Linneman](https://twitter.com/dark1x) joins the panel to consider Mario on the Zune, the fabled Duplidonkus, and most importantly, The Guy Fieri Of Video Games Original music by Kurt Feldman.


**Questions this week:**

  • 1. From Brandon Sheffield: How would you run a cafe-arcade hybrid, and what would you call it? (03:10)
  • 2. How would video games be different if Microsoft bought Nintendo twenty years ago? (10:33)
  • 3. What factors decide whether a video game should be first person view or third person view? (15:02)
  • 4. What historical video game hardware breakthroughs are bigger deals than people realize? (20:26)
  • 5. What scenes do you hope to see in the new restored version of the Super Mario Bros. Movie? (25:29)
  • 6. What video games suffer the most from being played on unintended hardware? (30:37)
  • 7. Dirtbag Devils Blush asks: Who is your favorite developer of games you aren’t interested in playing? (39:33)
  • 8. As a player, when can you feel the absence of a cut feature the most? (43:21)
  • 9. How do you make a cool video game desert? (48:01)
  • 10. Who is the Guy Fieri of video games? (53:02)
  • **LIGHTNING ROUND**: Product Placement (58:47)


  • - [Misophonia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misophonia)
  • - [Ys: Origins](https://www.mobygames.com/game/ys-origin)
  • - [Thief: The Dark Project](https://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/thief-the-dark-project)
  • - [Project Milo](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Milo)
  • - [insaneintherain](https://www.youtube.com/user/insaneintherainmusic)
  • - [Microsoft Surface coffee table](https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-surface-pixelsense-table)
  • - [uWink](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UWink)
  • - [SPARTAN-458](https://deadoralive.fandom.com/wiki/SPARTAN-458)
  • - [Jiu Jitsu (2020)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9624766/)
  • - [Breakdown](https://www.mobygames.com/game/breakdown)
  • - [Tom Petty - Breakdown (Live 1985)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNxfPAF1frM)
  • - [En Vogue - My Lovin' (Never Gonna Get It)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIuYQ_4TcXg)
  • - [Nvidia GeForce 3](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_3_series)
  • - [What Are Vertex And Pixel Shaders?](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/832545/what-are-vertex-and-pixel-shaders)
  • - [Bump Mapping](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bump_mapping)
  • - [U.S. Games, a subsidiary of Quaker Oats](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Games)
  • - [NEMO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control-Vision)
  • - [Super Mario Bros: The Morton Jankle Cut](https://archive.org/details/super-mario-bros-1993-the-morton-jankel-cut-extended-vhs)
  • - [The Thief and the Cobler: Recobbled Cut](https://thethiefarchive.fandom.com/wiki/The_Thief_and_the_Cobbler#The_Recobbled_Cut)
  • - [Video Game History Hour Ep. 23 - Working on Donkey Kong Country and Dinosaur Planet with Kev Bayliss & David Wise](https://gamehistory.org/ep-23-working-on-donkey-kong-country-and-dinosaur-planet-with-kev-bayliss-david-wise/)
  • - [Warlock](https://www.mobygames.com/game/warlock)
  • - [Warlock's transparent logo screen](https://twitter.com/necrosofty/status/1371333573962125312?s=20)
  • - [Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure](https://www.mobygames.com/game/pitfall-the-mayan-adventure)
  • - [Eternal Champions](https://www.mobygames.com/game/eternal-champions)
  • - [VectorMan](https://www.mobygames.com/game/vectorman)
  • - [The Adventures of Batman & Robin dithered and undithered](https://twitter.com/CRTpixels/status/1387184488275402753?s=20)
  • - [EVE Online](https://www.mobygames.com/game/eve-online)
  • - [Jeff Minter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Minter)
  • - [Will Wright](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Wright_(game_designer))
  • - [Polyphony Digital](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphony_Digital)
  • - [Final Fantasy XV Dragoon Lady](https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Aranea_Highwind)
  • - [Kingsglaive: Final Fantasy XV (2016)](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5595168/)
  • - [Dark Sector](https://www.mobygames.com/game/dark-sector)
  • - [Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver](https://www.mobygames.com/game/legacy-of-kain-soul-reaver)
  • - [Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain](https://www.mobygames.com/game/metal-gear-solid-v-the-phantom-pain)
  • - [Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II - The Sith Lords](https://www.mobygames.com/game/star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-ii-the-sith-lords)
  • - [Phantom Dust](https://www.mobygames.com/game/phantom-dust)
  • - [Planet Earth II](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5491994/)
  • - [Tom Brady](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Brady)
  • - [Guy Fieri](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fieri)
  • - [Cliff Bleszinski](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Bleszinski)
  • - [Tingle](https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Tingle)
  • - [Daxter](https://jakanddaxter.fandom.com/wiki/Daxter)
  • - [Sobble](https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Sobble_(Pok%C3%A9mon))
  • - [Peter Molyneux](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Molyneux)
  • - [Tomonobu Itagaki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomonobu_Itagaki)
  • - [Hideki Kamiya](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Kamiya)
  • **Recommendations:**
    **Frank**: [Video Game History Foundation "Blind Box" Vintage Video Game Magazines](https://the-video-game-history-foundation.myshopify.com/)
    **Brandon:** Enjoy the media you've collected over the years, [The Brat - Attitudes EP](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_xt4peySa0)
    **John**: [DF Retro](https://www.digitalfoundry.net/browse/df-retro), [Retrotink 5X](https://www.retrotink.com/shop)

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    Best footsteps in games are from Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight. They are loud, staccato and varied based on what you’re walking on. Especially the effects on metal grates (which there are a lot of!) they sound … great. (Sorry.)


    @espercontrol#32940 Who is the Guy Fieri of video games?

    Sonic the Hedgehog was my immediate thought. Hear me out:

  • - Cultural icon with broad appeal during his heyday, at least in some part due to perceived “‘tude”
  • - Waning popularity devolving into derision in some cases
  • - Recent popular reassessment with more widespread appreciation of their unique imperfect but in some ways endearing brand (with some recognition of unsung altruism, thinking of [Sega](https://twitter.com/justicekazzy_/status/1130531052357935107?s=21) here)
  • - Chili dogs
  • @kory#32947


    chili dogs

    Can't argue with that.

    I have a list of good foot steps in my head!

    Silent Hill 2, Mother 3, Animal Crossing

    Out of the countless exquisite little flourishes of detail and care placed into the Final Fantasy VII: Remake, the foot sound effects were up there for me.

    ...to be clear, to get ahead of what I imagine is my reputation for being a jokester, who may on occasion be known to say some silly if not outright bizarre things, motivated by "irony" or "sarcasm," this is one of those times where I'm employing the ol' sincerity, for comedic effect

    BTW I meant Ys eternal not Ys origins!! My mistake.

    Café names:

  • - Bean the Dynamite
  • - Syphon Filter
  • - Tea Fortress
  • - ChaiToy
  • - Teas Book I & II
  • I was listening to the part of the episode about hardware breakthroughs while lifting creaky weights, & @exodus I swear the first two times you said “bump mapping” I heard “Bonk mapping” & I thought “oh man, he's startin it up again”

    (great episode, this is the first time I've heard John off-script, & he's just as knowledgeable as I'd hoped he'd be, particularly in those eras of western PC gaming that I know almost nothing about)

    Yeah, awesome episode. I‘m a fan of John’s work as well, might even sub to the Patreon next if that means he'll do more retro content, plus I wanna hear his in-depth on the Japanese Playstation launch!

    I had a whole thing about how Google is superficially cooler than Microsoft, but forget that.

    Also, fuck Waluigi he has no reason to exist and certainly has not yet proven himself or come to his own nor will he ever because he has no right to live.

    resident evil 1 mansion lobby (with the carpet and the stone transition) is the footstep sound for me. it's like eating an apple

    @cheezopath#33005 to be clear - eating an apple makes good sounds for you? with my brain affliction if someone near me is eating an apple I feel like I need to rocket myself into space, so I'm just checking!

    @billy those are some good ones. Syphon Filter especially.

    I feel like everyone’s thinking too small-scale with these footsteps:


    Not sure if this is the best gargantuan example, but it was the first I thought of…any other classic colossal clomping come to mind?


    @espercontrol#32940 How do you make a cool video game desert?

    If you’ll forgive the meme…


    In all seriousness (seriousness may be the wrong word) the music does go a long way when done tastefully—this is why Nier Automata features my favorite desert

    My favorite footsteps in games have to be Chibi-Robo


    Just plays a note on a different instruments depending on what surface you're walking on. It's so good! I love it.

    How would you run a cafe-arcade hybrid, and what would you call it?

    I think about running a very small, cozy coffee shop with cocktail cabinets for tables and a bar about once a week.
    Something really simple, since it would be primarily older games:

  • - Coin-Op Cafe
  • - Coin-Op Coffee
  • - Status Effect
  • - Coffee Invader
  • - Minus World
  • - Cafe Game Station
  • ~ 4 cocktail tables, screens at the coffee bar and maybe one extra table where people can request a console & game. You don't pay for the games, but purchasing anything on the menu gives you access to any games available on the tables or in the library. It would probably last a month before dying here.

    At night wine & beer could be served.


    @espercontrol#32940 what would you call it?

    While we wait for @billy to show us how it's done:

  • - FK in the Coffee
  • - Brew Stinger
  • - The Adventures of Coffee & Cream
  • - Pouring Over It with Bennet Foddy
  • - Super Mario Brews.
  • I can't promise that I _will not_ be adding to this list as my mind percolates...oh wait one more:

  • - Star Percolator
  • edit: a few more fresh dripped hot from the bottom of video games:

  • - Macchiato Rider
  • - Hot Shots of Espresso
  • - Americano McGee
  • - Trails of Cold Brew
  • - Mocha no Natsuyasumi
  • - Matcha the Millenium
  • - Decaf Attack
  • @kory#33087 I‘m moving this week, so unfortunately I’m super busy and trying my absolute best not to think of any more of these. The few I posted earlier might be it I'm afraid!

    _edit: nooooooo_

  • - Mocha Man Legacy Collection
  • - Minish Cappuccino
  • - Leisure Suit Latte
  • - TurboEspresso
  • - Black Mesa
  • - Chai Garden
  • - Cappuccina Warrior
  • _edit 2: if the host of the insert credit podcast wants to invest i'll gladly call the place **jaffé au lait**_

    @billy#33088 oh, shoot, totally missed these, sorry! good luck with the move

    edit: I _knew_ @billy would deliver! IC may have to cover the some of his moving expenses if this draws out the process, however…