Ep. 327 - The Third Knuckles

### Ep. 327 - The Third Knuckles

Your Insert Credit panel returns to cover the greatest leap in console graphics ever, the Sonic Cinematic Universe, and Tiara Cyberooski.


**Questions this week:**

  • 1. How was D.I.C.E.? (04:39)
  • 2. When is taking notes while playing games fun, and when is it a chore? (13:07)
  • 3. What would it take for the next Xbox to be “the largest technical leap you’ve ever seen in a hardware generation”? (18:25)
  • 4. What is the future of the Sonic Cinematic Universe? (24:02)
    Insert Credit Quick Break: [GLYDR](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/glydr/glydr-analog-dual-foot-controller-for-video-games-and-vr) (29:37)
  • 5. Kory asks: If you had to design a fighting game with a roster consisting solely of variants of the same character, who would it be? (31:16)
  • 6. Have you ever played a video game and gotten to a part where you thought, “Oh, this would have been an exciting surprise if I were a different sort of person”? (39:08)
  • 7. What’s the worst love story ever told in video games? (49:10)
  • 8. What makes the concept of an ancient evil returning in the present day such a staple of video games, and adventure fiction overall? (55:17)
  • A Message from Alex Jaffe (01:01:00)

    Recommendations and Outro (01:03:02)

    [Discuss this episode in the Insert Credit Forums](https://forums.insertcredit.com/)


  • - [Slimer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slimer)
  • - [The Real Ghostbusters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Ghostbusters)
  • - [Garbage Pail Kids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_Pail_Kids)
  • - [Altered Beast](https://www.mobygames.com/game/2019/altered-beast/)
  • - [Solid Snake](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_Snake)
  • - [D.I.C.E. Summit](https://www.dicesummit.org/)
  • - [Chef Kenny](https://vegck.com/)
  • - [Chef Kenny's Vegan Dim Sum](https://chefkennysvegandimsum.com/%23tabs1-k_tab2)
  • - [Nintendo Entertainment System](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Entertainment_System)
  • - [Retro City Games](https://mytownsquarelasvegas.com/directory/retro-city-games)
  • - [SETA Corporation](https://www.mobygames.com/company/4783/seta-corporation/)
  • - [Kemco/Seika](https://www.mobygames.com/company/3305/kemcoseika/)
  • - [Nosferatu](https://www.mobygames.com/game/13781/nosferatu/)
  • - [Bio Force Ape](http://www.lostlevels.org/bio-force-ape/)
  • - [Half Bird Chicken & Beer](https://halfbird.com/)
  • - [Kung Lao](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung_Lao)
  • - [Pegs Glorified Ham n Eggs](http://eatatpegs.com/)
  • - [Baldur's Gate III](https://www.mobygames.com/game/150689/baldurs-gate-iii/)
  • - [Todd Howard](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_Howard)
  • - [David Cage](https://www.polygon.com/2018/1/14/16890536/quantic-dream-workplace-harassment-allegations)
  • - [Forgotten Realms](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgotten_Realms)
  • - [R. A. Salvatore](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._A._Salvatore)
  • - [The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim](https://www.mobygames.com/game/53545/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim/)
  • - [Final Fantasy XVI](https://www.mobygames.com/game/204724/final-fantasy-xvi/)
  • - [Genshin Impact](https://www.mobygames.com/game/150976/genshin-impact/)
  • - [Final Fantasy VIII](https://www.mobygames.com/game/1149/final-fantasy-viii/)
  • - [David Lynch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lynch)
  • - [Microsoft says next Xbox will 'deliver largest technical leap seen in a hardware generation'](https://www.eurogamer.net/microsoft-says-next-xbox-will-deliver-largest-technical-leap-seen-in-a-hardware-generation)
  • - [Halo series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/2782/halo-series/)
  • - [The Witcher series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/10398/the-witcher-series/)
  • - [Alan Wake II](https://www.mobygames.com/game/210927/alan-wake-ii/)
  • - [Cyberpunk 2077](https://www.mobygames.com/game/128136/cyberpunk-2077/)
  • - [Kingdom Hearts III](https://www.mobygames.com/game/110056/kingdom-hearts-iii/)
  • - [Toy Story (1995)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toy_Story)
  • - [The Last of Us: Part II](https://www.mobygames.com/game/146798/the-last-of-us-part-ii/)
  • - [Gears of War](https://www.mobygames.com/game/25761/gears-of-war/)
  • - [Sonic the Hedgehog 3 (2024)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_the_Hedgehog_3_(film))
  • - [Knuckles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knuckles_(TV_series))
  • - [Sonic 3D Blast](https://www.mobygames.com/game/3494/sonic-3d-blast/)
  • - [Sonic R](https://www.mobygames.com/game/2899/sonic-r/)
  • - [Sonic X-treme](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_X-treme)
  • - [Tiara Boobowski](https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Tiara_Boobowski)
  • - [Taylor Swift](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taylor_Swift)
  • - [Krysten Ritter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krysten_Ritter)
  • - [Rouge the Bat](https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Rouge_the_Bat)
  • - [Hayden Christensen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayden_Christensen)
  • - [Shadow the Hedgehog](https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_the_Hedgehog)
  • - [Star Wars prequel trilogy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_prequel_trilogy)
  • - [Mark Hamill](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Hamill)
  • - [Amadeus](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadeus_(play))
  • - [Outcast (2014)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcast_(2014_film))
  • - [Batman (1989)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(1989_film))
  • - [Amy Rose](https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Amy_Rose)
  • - [The Super Mario Bros. Movie (2023)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Super_Mario_Bros._Movie)
  • - [Minions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minions_(Despicable_Me))
  • - [Chao](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chao_(Sonic_the_Hedgehog))
  • - [Tyson Hesse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyson_Hesse)
  • - [Ryu](https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Ryu)
  • - [Ken Masters](https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Ken_Masters)
  • - [Shotokan](https://streetfighter.fandom.com/wiki/Shotokan)
  • - [Spider-Verse](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Verse_(franchise))
  • - [Spider-Man](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man)
  • - [Super Smash Brothers series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/508/super-smash-brothers-series/)
  • - [Mario](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario)
  • - [Luigi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi)
  • - [Bob Hoskins](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hoskins)
  • - [Charles Martinet](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Martinet)
  • - [Al Pacino](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Pacino)
  • - [Scent of a Woman (1992)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scent_of_a_Woman_(1992_film))
  • - [You Don't Know Jack (2010)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Don%27t_Know_Jack_(film))
  • - [Phil Spector (2013)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Spector_(film))
  • - [Scarface (1983)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarface_(1983_film))
  • - [Glengarry Glen Ross (1992)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glengarry_Glen_Ross_%28film%29)
  • - [Serpico (1973)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpico)
  • - [Dog Day Afternoon (1975)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_Day_Afternoon)
  • - [The Adventures of Captain Heat (1995)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_(1995_film))
  • - [The Irishman (2019)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Irishman)
  • - [Homer Simpson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer_Simpson)
  • - [Jack Kirby](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Kirby)
  • - [Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman%27s_Pal_Jimmy_Olsen)
  • - [Newsboy Legion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsboy_Legion)
  • - [Superman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman)
  • - [Rick and Morty](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_and_Morty)
  • - [Transilvane](https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Transilvane)
  • - [Apokolips](https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Apokolips)
  • - [Darkseid](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darkseid)
  • - [Dragon Age II](https://www.mobygames.com/game/50783/dragon-age-ii/)
  • - [Felicia Day](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicia_Day)
  • - [Fallout: New Vegas](https://www.mobygames.com/game/48717/fallout-new-vegas/)
  • - [Mystery Science Theater 3000](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Science_Theater_3000)
  • - [#IDARB](https://www.mobygames.com/game/70918/idarb/)
  • - [Shadow Dancer](https://www.mobygames.com/game/10853/shadow-dancer/)
  • - [Godzilla](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godzilla)
  • - [The Revenge of Shinobi](https://www.mobygames.com/game/7730/the-revenge-of-shinobi/)
  • - [Batman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman)
  • - [Astal](https://www.mobygames.com/game/11684/astal/)
  • - [Marvel Spider-Man](https://www.mobygames.com/game/113066/marvel-spider-man/)
  • - [Marvel Spider-Man: Miles Morales](https://www.mobygames.com/game/153496/marvel-spider-man-miles-morales/)
  • - [Prowler](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prowler_(Marvel_Comics))
  • - [Batman: Arkham series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/9940/batman-arkham-series/)
  • - [Jason Todd](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Todd)
  • - [Final Fantasy VII Rebirth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII_Rebirth)
  • - [Final Fantasy VII: Remake](https://www.mobygames.com/game/141485/final-fantasy-vii-remake/)
  • - [Final Fantasy VII](https://www.mobygames.com/game/858/final-fantasy-vii/)
  • - [Chrono Trigger](https://www.mobygames.com/game/4501/chrono-trigger/)
  • - [Tetsuya Nomura](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Nomura)
  • - [White Day](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Day)
  • - [Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)](https://www.mobygames.com/game/26398/sonic-the-hedgehog/)
  • - [Silver the Hedgehog](https://sonic.fandom.com/wiki/Silver_the_Hedgehog)
  • - [Bubsy series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/794/bubsy-series/)
  • - [Aero the Acro-Bat](https://www.mobygames.com/game/6990/aero-the-acro-bat/)
  • - [Indigo Prophecy](https://www.mobygames.com/game/19212/indigo-prophecy/)
  • - [Pac-Man](https://www.mobygames.com/game/138/pac-man/)
  • - [The Ancient Magus' Bride](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ancient_Magus%27_Bride)
  • - [Dragon Quest series](https://www.mobygames.com/group/436/dragon-warrior-dragon-quest-series/)
  • - [J. R. R. Tolkien](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._R._R._Tolkien)
  • - [Game of Thrones](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_of_Thrones)
  • - [Demonschool](https://store.steampowered.com/app/1900250/Demonschool/)
  • - [Dark Souls](https://www.mobygames.com/game/53619/dark-souls/)
  • **Recommendations:**
    **Tim**: Get a real good chair, listen to the ad on this week’s episode of Insert Credit
    **Frank**: [GLYDR now on Kickstarter](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/glydr/glydr-analog-dual-foot-controller-for-video-games-and-vr)
    **Brandon:** [TimesSqKungFU](https://www.youtube.com/c/TimesSqKungFU/videos)

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    @“esper”#p154577 Kory asks: If you had to design a fighting game with a roster consisting solely of variants of the same character, who would it be? (31:16)

    [Why, yes, I have played Dragon Ball FighterZ.](https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonballfighterz/comments/glj6gc/tier_list_based_on_how_much_goku_they_are/)

    I am so so mad that I just sat here and fast-forwarded the episode to 1:01:00 to hear Alex Jaffe's message.

    @“whatsarobot”#p154586 I did the same thing. I saw it in the show notes and thought oh… I better check on that. not mad tho!

    extremely good joke execution

    Hi Some Sound That I Can‘t Replicate With A Human Throat, I’m Dad!

    Okay, but Spider-Versus would absolutely own

    technically it should be “Cyberooska” and “Boobowska”. A rare blunder from the makers of sonic

    @kory can you make Jaffe and Frank kiss in the RainJerks dlc???

    I appreciate Jaffe‘s honesty and bravery in this message in the end of this episode. I too have had to deal with the pressures of moving to a new city. Sometimes you forget why you’re there or how you even got there. It‘s led to my feeling shy and lacking confidence. It’s sad because one of my abilities is to light up a room in the right circumstance. Now it feels like I‘m in a trance all the time, my eyes have gone yellow from stress. Sometimes I see others like myself, but I can’t get through to them, and I don‘t want to be like them. My doctor said to lift my spirits I should go see the play “I Want to Be Your Canary” while it’s in town, but the dang ticket I bought was a counterfeit. I worry that I'm alive, but never truly living. Any advice?

    @Tradegood, no need be sad.

    @“Tradegood”#p154623 finding time to be active can be a battle.

    So, Frank‘s gone for a while, and suddenly when he’s back he has a different voice? That's not the real Frank.

    Best part of DICE was Koji Kondo at the club

    The Riddler in Batman Forever already figured out the console giant leap issue in 1995. Just beam those games directly into our brains. What are we doing with these boxes - it even aesthetically works for the Xbox colour scheme.


    @“billy”#p154638 you're right, i should try jump rope more often.

    Th conversation around returning ancient evils and game design makes me appreciate Final Fantasy X even more.

    You're main quest is obviously visiting all the temples to get the power to defeat the returning evil. While you're going on this journey you're meeting the crusaders who are trying to tackle the problem of Sin from a different angle with mixed results. And a lot of the drama is obviously centred around these two different approaches.

    Obviously without spoiling anything the later portion does some interesting stuff with those tropes. So yeah in a weird way it's both a story about repeating the past but also tackling the issue of ancient evils with a new perspective as if it were occuring for the first time.

    Cool game.

    LOVE what y’all have been cooking lately, yum :yum:

    Can someone remind me, what is the Chrono Trigger character that appears in FFVIIR that Tim refers to?

    Once again having my biases confirmed in regards to FFVII. Oh jeez oh man

    Today was street sweeping where I am occupied with moving my van and waiting from 9am-1pm so thanks for keeping me company.

    Before hearing the episode, I assumed the title was riffing on The Third Man. I would watch an edit that replaces Orson Welles' character with Knuckles the Echidna.