How thick are the XVI spoilers in this episode? Should I risk it?
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@“aerisdead”#p156018 I was asked to help launder the panel’s decision to make Final Fantasy 16 their game of the year 2023 and I refused, because I detest all forms of fun
I can corroborate this
@“connrrr”#p156049 Some minor spoilers in Ash Parrish‘s submission, but you’re otherwise clear
I'm posting a lot sorry.
That Watchdogs 1 game had an accompanying phone app which I played. Apparently if some random person playing online is being chased by the cops you can 'hack' various street lights and barriers in order to stop them. I think you could call for additional back up.
The details are fuzzy because it's been year but it was somewhat interesting.
By virtue of the X and Zero series existing, the baseline Megaman games looked obsolete even back then. But at least it seems like they realized they can‘t make anything better so they gave up wholesale, and games like 30XX keep the fire alive. Honestly how it should be - I’d go so far as to say this applies to Final Fantasy as well; Square Enix let someone else make one or let it die!
@“Kite006”#p156083 I stopped applauding this comment only long enough to smash “Like” and write my response to it, and will go back to applauding as soon as I smash “Post Reply”
I really enjoyed that clam chowder bit at the end! great episode!
@“esper”#p156048 I love any Beastie Boys lyric where they say how good they are at something. Mine has to be from Body Movin'
"Like a bottle of Châteauneuf-du-Pape/I’m fine like wine when I start to rap"
I randomly quote that at least once a week.
@“Tom of the Fog”#p156098 Alright I held off originally, but if we are doing this, I will share the one I think of maybe-most often:
"I'm the player and the coach / I'm no roach / I bought my grandma a brand new brooch!"
It's from _Rhyme the Rhyme Well_ on the under-appreciated _To the 5 Boroughs_ album, which @espercontrol also referenced upthread.
The way Ad-Rock rolls his R on brooch! It was a thing he was doing at the time, but never to better effect than here.
@“whatsarobot”#p156100 I could do it all day when it comes to Beastie Boys!
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@“whatsarobot”#p156100 It’s from Rhyme the Rhyme Well on the under-appreciated To the 5 Boroughs album, which @esper also referenced upthread.
Never understood why it is so often overlooked - I think it's an amazing album and shows them maturing (mostly) both lyrically and musically. It seemed like a natural progression for them and deserves to stand with their best work.
@“Tom of the Fog”#p156105
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I could do it all day when it comes to Beastie Boys!
Meeee tooooo!
I think it's because, in addition to the points you made (which I agree with), _To the 5 Boroughs_ also
Came six whole years after Hello Nasty, so expectations were impossibly high
Had the Beastie Boys digging unironically (but also deeply ironically) into the earliest era of hip-hop for inspiration, which was absolutely not The Style At The Time
Didn't have any big hit singles (except for _Ch-Check it Out_, which wasn't even very big by their standards). It is mainly an album of deeply weird album cuts, which is why it's so fun to go back and revisit!
This kind of talk does make me wonder about scale - how overlooked can a platinum, million+selling record with a grammy nomination on its first single actually be? I guess it‘s possible for it to be overlooked within their catalog to an extent but 1 in every 300 people in america purchased the album. where then does the perception of overlooked come from? a handfull of critics who don’t put it on their best ofs?
I always find this stuff interesting to unpack as I had a discussion with Liz Ryerson some time ago about her assertion that Bjork (who I consider to be Incredibly Famous) was an underappreciated artist. It's all about scale!
@“whatsarobot”#p156107 Completely agree! Doing new things both for them, and the genre as well at that time.
They produced the album themselves which could be a bigger factor to the sound - for me it sounds both over **_and_** under produced at the same time which is amazing.
Also it was their first post 9/11 release so expectations were high, and after Hello Nasty I think people expected something in the vien, but this had a much more personal feel on the aftermath of it.
I think "It takes time to build" has one of the best lyrics to sum up the album and their mentality about it.
https://youtu.be/fGv2VqE3xbY?si=DtlL7hpZlMR3mXhT
It takes a second to wreck it/It takes time to build/You gots to chill
@“exodus”#p156108 Hmm I didn't realize the album was that big of a commercial success! That is delightful to learn.
You make a lot of good points!
Personally, I was strictly talking about anecdotal experience, both among Beastie Boys fans, and just general music fans in my life. Among Beastie enthusiasts, it usually is kind of an "oh yeah, that album also exists" type of thing (though not to the same extent as _Hot Sauce Committee_). And among music appreciators in general, it is not as well known as some of their other albums, which were many-many times platinum, rather than just one-time.
Like, yes, it was a very successful album, but it's also their _seventh_-best-selling record, according to [bestsellingalbums.org](https://bestsellingalbums.org/artist/1239), and it certainly _feels_ less relevant than their other records, culturally.
So I was just framing it within the context of Beastie Boys lore.
One final thought about To the 5 Boroughs, which also occurred to me when listening to some Rage Against the Machine song recently.
It's funny and quaint to hear people getting mad about George Bush after having lived through Tr*mp and getting ready to do that again real soon.
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@“whatsarobot”#p156111 So I was just framing it within the context of Beastie Boys lore.
that makes sense, and is pretty much what I figured! just interesting to think about the scale of this stuff. the smallest album from the beastie boys would be the biggest album of all time for most bands in the grand scheme, I reckon.
@Jaffe What is the smallest album from the beastie boys of video games?
@“exodus”#p156108 I think the term overlooked has various meanings in an back catalogue of a group or musician. Sometimes it‘s down to how sales relate to other albums, how it did at the time it was released and the biggest for me, does it sound like their other work or is it a totally new sound. I think 5 Boroughs is a bit of all of those which isn’t a bad thing, Beastie Boys do what they do (I can‘t think of any rap groups who release an instrumental album!) and this was a natural evolution to them. I’m sure people just wanted Fight for your Right part 12, but they didn‘t and I’m glad they didn't!
Bjork is a great example - she is famous but how many people could name even a handful of her songs outside of It's Oh So Quiet unless they were real fans of her work.
For me and overlooked album is Animals by Pink Floyd. It's an amazing album and has some of their best work on it, but it came out after Dark Side and Wish You Were Here - it's impossible to compare sales on those and with three actual songs on it, it's nothing like what came before it. And maybe to enjoy it you gotta be crazy, you gotta have a real need.
@“Tom of the Fog”#p156117 Definitely an interesting thing to talk about - to me I don‘t think a pink floyd album can be considered overlooked in the grand scheme, because of how much all their albums have been looked at. but if you’re talking about within the pink floyd pantheon, it sort of makes sense, but it still feels like “one somebody might not remember immediately” rather than overlooked, because if one considers the pink floyd discography at all, that means one is probably a listener of pink floyd, and likely aware of the album. Or something!
I recounted this on the podcast but it blew my mind when Mariah Carey was described by a young person in a record store as "underrated." compared to what or whom? Who is out there rating Mariah Carey too low?
