Ep. 378 - Old Weird Game Feast 2, with John Linneman

Hey everyone, please come join us over in the INSERT CREDIT TIME ATTACK! Now Playing: Auto Modellista thread and enjoy how rad this game looks and have a fun time driving a WRX on a windy downhill track!

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Done!! Thanks, things are a bit scattered while esper is out.

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Brandon, you forgot to award John a bunch of show credits. Jaffe wasn’t watching!

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Ah!! Good point! In fact I should make him come up with a question for us, hmm. I’ll bug him later.

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I should not be offering this based on my workload at the moment but I have most of the weird stuff they talked about, and all my capture equipment is still set up from some footage I was gathering for John last week. DM me if you need anything.

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John calling it The Jag has made it 10% cooler in my eyes.

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The Jag always seems cool when spoken about! Things fall apart when your hands touch the controller, or your eyeballs see the screen.

Good for weirdos though!

When will we see truly wretched platforms discussed on Insert Credit, like the Sam Coupé?

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We’d need some British people on to properly talk microcomputers! They just didn’t make it over here. I’m curious about them but I feel like the emulated experience doesn’t really cut it as far as really understanding them. There was a lot more external experience to those things than I ever knew as a youth (loading tapes etc)

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Fun ep! The enthusiasm is contagious. I think ive only heard of 5 of these games before so it was cool to try and picture what the rest are like

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They were great times, but only as none of us knew any different! I grew up owning both a VIC 20 and a Spectrum +2 (both bought from cousins and given to me as gifts, possibly even the same cousin!) so all I knew was tape loading of games and the experience of waiting 10 minutes or more for it to crash and then start again. Being able to go into a lot of different shops, that had the tapes hanging in little bags for sale randomly at endcaps, buying magazines with cassettes on the front full of demos and sometimes even full games, not even “published” by people, just written and sent to magazines to get them out there.

Then of course the computer “wars” between the Spectrum and the Commodore owners, because the C64 did overall look better and being more expensive, those rich little b******s had them and showed off. I had a friend who had one of those and going around to his house after tea (not tea time, dinner), to see games I played look and sound even better was always a treat.

You had the Spectrum +3 and Amstrad 664 with floppy discs, so those were super nice because the loading times were so much faster and prone to less crashes. I only knew of one person who could afford a 664, and we’d all go round to play the same games we had already, but loading 20 times faster! And most of us at the time had no idea that they were both owned by Amstrad, because we were seven and who cared!!!

Of course after that you got onto the Atari ST/Amiga 500 wars, which were something else because the leap in technology was huge and everyone who had used the older systems loved the changes to the graphics and sounds. Copying games onto discs was so easy (I remember a friend who had an ST, and would go to a computer shop to buy a game, and they only ever sold copies version of it. I don’t think they ever sold an original game!) so peoples collections were enormous. Crackers had the most amazing screens at the start of the games and I think, myself included, didn’t know any different. At this point I was more into console gaming so my computer love stopped but I always had friends who had them and the debates were always Sega/Nintendo or Amiga/Atari.

God I could go on for hours, but won’t as there are so many more people who know and probably lived the subject and still do. But if you were in primary school in the 80s, and you had a BBC Micro, at some point you would remember this face

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I went to school they had an elaborate school network of BBC Micros and Archimedes, where you could access your user folder from any machine. They later rolled in Windows PC machines, but all three computers were in active use.

School kids had ZX Spectrums, Master Systems, Amigas, and horrible things like the Gamate or the Amstrad GX4000. Very messy!

Meanwhile games were everywhere in the high street, especially low budget games on cassette. We also had a weird fun situation with magazines buying distribution rights for games and putting them on cover tapes or discs.

I used to go to ‘computer fairs’ with my dad around 1992, which were a mix of every generation of tech, and where I met other Sam Coupe users! Shareware discs were copied to order. It’s also where I bought BC Kid!

It really does seem quite different to the USA situation, and I agree that emulators don’t really cut it. Same problem with trying to vicariously appreciate the MSX and Japanese PCs.

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Podd was a menace.
Granny’s Garden was legit.

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I remember that on the Spectrum for sure, not the Micro. Podd just brings back memories of learning to type with one finger very slowly. Sort of like how father does now!

This was the first IC where I didn’t know what they were talking about for most of the episode.

Also, love John’s work at Digital Foundry and love to see him turn up here.

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snitch time! calling to your attention this channel that uploads your podcast before you do!

if it’s of no concern, then forget I said anything

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We had Apple II/e’s but I remember Podd.

I wonder if we had some bootleg version, as it doesn’t seem like there was an official II/e release from a quick search

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Hmm, I didn’t know about this - not sure what to do there exactly but I’ll keep an eye on it.

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I’ve been kinda waiting on a youtube upload of this, since I feel like it would be really fun to watch, but if it’s not happening then I’ll just listed to the audio version.

[EDIT]: Nevermind I just read esper’s post. Looking forward to it!

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video version will come sometime this week, if everything goes to plan. thank you for bearing with me, I want to do this one up right!!

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Oh it’s cool. I think it’s exactly the reason why I thought this episode would be fun to watch that I expected it to take a bit more work than the average episode. Thanks for all your work!

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