Gotta discuss ’em all!™ (The Pokémon Thread)

I've discussed this sort of stuff^1 over in the Happening Now thread before, and sometimes mention events in the IC-Adjacent discord stream-notifications channel, but maybe people interested in this thread would like to know about:

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This coming weekend, there is a new radical video art edit being premiered - and this time it is of _Pokemon: The First Movie_.

Important warnings: expect flashing lights/colours, maybe strobes, etc.

[twitch.tv/segfest](https://twitch.tv/segfest)


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[size=10]1. Apologies if nobody is interested in this stuff. I just think it is really neat and want to share things I think are really neat.

Unfortunately, reviews say the pokemon toaster is cheap for a reason and breaks quickly. I'll save up for a toaster oven instead.

@"rejj"#p159059 holy cow yes!! Don't apologize!!!!

@“connrrr”#p159073 it was a fun dream for a while. the only thing worse than a cheap toaster is a gently loved pre-owned cheap toaster lol

@rejj seriously everything you share is neat. please never stop.

@“rejj”#p159059 damn I missed this. Do you know if there will be a VOD?

@“connrrr”#p159625 There's no VOD of this stream, but there was mention that there will likely be an encore screening soon. Also, the next big SegFest weekend event is scheduled for the end of April, and I expect it to also have a rerun during that.

These things also often eventually make their way to archive.org after a while, I'll be sure to let you know when that happens if you like.

(also also, there was a secret unannounced bonus feature screened during this same stream after the Pokemon movie -- an edit of _Paprika_, all of the above likely applies to that also)

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@“rejj”#p159691 Paprika

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Please do keep us in the loop!!

Pokémon = Problems!

https://youtu.be/kbZVHRpW9_Y

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ya gotta

https://twitter.com/kcgreenn/status/1773359579784454246

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Pokedex entry for GINKAR:

“Has the power to kill.”

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Hello Pokémon experts. I’ve played little bits of occasional games in the series over the years (from memory I think I’ve played at least some of LeafGreen, Diamond and Y).

Owing to the current schoolyard craze, I’ve been playing LeafGreen with my six year-old. We’re having a great time! However, I think we’re getting to the end and it’ll soon be time to move on to another game in the series.

What should we do?

Do we work through generations in order? Is there any benefit to that?

Of each generation, is there a preferred edition to play? Are the later ‘third’ versions the way to go?

We’re going to be emulating / flashcarting a lot of these, so transferring Pokémon between games is probably not something we’ll do. This does mean we have access to basically all of them, so feel free to recommend games from the entire pool.

Other general advice also gratefully received.

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@connrrr (and everyone else potentially interested)


2024-04-06T23:00:00Z

https://twitch.tv/segfest

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I would recommend playing whichever seems the most interesting to you and your kid! There’s no real need to play in any sort of order, they’re all made to be someone’s first pokemon. The third versions are generally best, with the exceptions being Yellow and Ultra Sun/Moon being more alternate versions than improved versions, and Black/White 2 being direct sequels to Black/White.
Also, depending on who’s doing most of the playing, it might be nice to consider that the more recent games (I would say anything on the 3DS and beyond) are noticeably easier.

Edit: Forgot to address this

Do we work through generations in order? Is there any benefit to that?

By playing Leaf Green first, you’ve basically got all the narrative background you could need going forward, because almost all callbacks are to Kanto. Gameplay wise, things stay mostly the same, but new gimmicks are introduced with every game from the 3DS onwards (Megas, Z-Moves, Gigantamax, etc.)

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This is good and one of the things I was worried about! By what you’re saying I take it that the new additions are mostly one-time gimmicks that are then replaced by new ones in future entries? We won’t suddenly jump into a more recent game and not understand some new core mechanic or terminology?

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Yes, they all exist for one generation and then disappear, so no worries there. The only time there’s overlap is in the post-game of Sun/Moon, when you have access to both Mega Evolution and Z-Moves, but it’s totally optional and hard to even unlock.

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I’ll add that my favorite far and away is Heart Gold/Soul Silver. If you enjoyed Leaf Green, it would be a great one to try next. It’s got my favorite feature where the first 'mon in your party will walk around behind you. And there’s this photographer who will take your picture at key moments throughout the game and you get a nice photo album at the end to see how your team has grown.

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I started a new game of Pokemon Violet, and realized I have very little memory of this game despite playing it less than two years ago. Back then I was really put off by the glitches, blurry visuals, and the baffling pacing of the game. It is possibly the worst written game I have ever played (due in large part to quantity). But the sticking point was the design of the open world did not work for me. Pokemon is a series where you’re overleveled even at the best of times, and so when I crossed borders into higher level zones I didn’t even realize it. The numbered areas don’t really make sense, and I did not enjoy exploring a new area only to discover everything is low-level. It also took some of the punch out of seeing new monsters when you catch their evolved form before seeing their non-evolved form. The whole thing fell very flat with me, and I figured I was just out of touch with the idea of what most people want from a pokemon game.

But it turns out, I like it a lot more in 2024 than I did in 2022. To gamefreak’s credit, the glitches are far less intrusive now. There’s still incredible amounts of slowdown, aliasing, low-res textures, and animations going about 10 frames per second, but it’s not game breaking and I can appreciate the tradeoffs more. While I still might prefer a more curated experience, the open world exploration feels more thoughtfully considered then I gave it credit for when I first played.

I think some of the textures also look better now then my memory at launch. You can actually see some details. Though it is kind of funny there just seem to be 3 materials on all of the 'mons. There’s the fuzzy 'mons, the reflective 'mons, and the goopy 'mons, and it’s kind of random which objects are which. The poke balls especially look like they are made of wet clay or something, and which I appreciate.

Now that there’s a little more detail visible, I like the monster designs a lot more too. In particular, I really like Hoppip! I’ve never really paid attention to it, in other games it always went straight to Bill’s PC, but I like in this one that he’s a happy lil fuzzy helicopter with toe beans.

I am also raising Fuecoco, Smolliv, Flittle, Aipom and rotating some others in and out. Next mission for me is to get one of them Girafarig evolutions. I like this party a lot more than last time when I played blind and was underwhelmed by the Grass Cat, Flamingo and Dolphin whose evolutions or lack thereof disappointed me. I’m having a good time with my crew now and like a lot of the new designs I’m coming across. This game was like a 4/10 disappointment, but now I found the fun in it and think it’s a real 7/10.

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The sequel video is out! Do you side with Aristotle or Plato when it comes to Pidgetto?

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I occasionally play a Pokemon game. This is me playing Pokemon Brilliant Diamond.

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I need the assistance of the lovely people here who know about Pokemon and can advise me on how to do this one:

I want to get my son who’s almost six a Pokemon game on the Switch, as he’s just earned his first belt in Judo and deserves a reward. We’ve dabbled in the GBA remakes and he likes them, but wants something a bit more modern to get into. I’ve read that Arceus is a really good game and in ways better than the Scarlet/Violet ones but I honestly don’t know enough. I’m at your mercy and I know you will help guide me (and him) in the right direction on this one.

Attrapez-les tous !

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Very different gameplay so I don’t know if it’ll take, but New Pokémon Snap is my favourite recent Pokémon. You could try the N64 one out on him first to see if that might be at all interesting to him, maybe?

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